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I think that my family has a right to not be evacuated from their home, not run to bomb shelters daily, not have to leave home and go protect their country at t

I think that my family has a right to not be evacuated from their home, not run to bomb shelters daily, not have to leave home and go protect their country at the risk of death for unknown amount of time. If you think that criticising Israel is making you look good because it is now fashionable to have an opinion on things you don’t have personal involvement with, then you are wrong, and your demonising comments are making the world a worse, less-safe space.

hnbad 3y ago
Have you considered that you're not special and it's possible to do wrong while also being a victim? You talk about people being "evacuated from their home" and running to bomb shelters. I'm talking about dozens more being killed by bombs and shot dead by soldiers. If you get punched, I will stand by you and feel sorry for you and try to help you and keep you safe. But if your response is to pull out a knive and stab the attacker to death, I will call you a murderer. It's horrible that Israelis live under constant threat and the 1200 victims of the Hamas attacks on October 7th should be mourned. But it's hard to feel mournful for Israelis when Israel has killed an order of magnitude more in the months since (and even more over the years prior). Even the Americans gave the world more time to sympathize with the victims of 9/11 before engaging in retaliation against the countries it deemed responsible (in lieu of Saudi Arabia). I'm German. Criticising Israel doesn't make me "look good". It's not something to do in polite conversation in my country and even the political left frequently eschews the topic and insists on passivity because of our country's history. I don't celebrate Hamas as I don't condone the murder of civilians and believe that calling all Israelis "colonizers" or saying that makes them complicit and thus valid military targets is morally bankrupt. But that is the same reason I object to the IDF's disregard for human life and its dishonest claim to be the "most humane military". I don't stand with the pro-Hamas Islamists that celebrated the October 7 attack in the streets of Berlin, I stand with the Jewish Bundists and anti-Zionists that don't want to be used as shields by Israel to justify its military's thirst for blood. We can simplify this. You really only have two options: you can claim that the pictures of levelled city blocks in Gaza are fake, that the death toll is a complete fabrication (i.e. wrong by multiple orders of magnitude) and that the UN organisations, the international aid organisations, all non-Israeli journalists and Jewish anti-Zionists and Bundists are lying and helping to spread misinformation to make Israel look bad. Or you can claim that the pictures and the numbers are real and the death of all of these humans is justified because you either consider all Palestinians a threat to Jews or think the life of one Jew is worth the death of tens of Palestinians. The first one makes me think you're delusional, the second one makes me think you're a monster. I don't see a third option but maybe you can elaborate.
- gryzzly 3y ago
  Israel has no “military thirst for blood” and is protecting its citizens from literal massacres, thousands of rocket launches and hostage capturing, and infiltrations by terrorists, and inciting jihadism across “still civilian” population.
- tptacek 3y ago
  It is in fact not at all hard to feel mournful for Israelis killed on October 7th.
  - hnbad 3y ago
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hnbad 3y ago

Have you considered that you're not special and it's possible to do wrong while also being a victim? You talk about people being "evacuated from their home" and running to bomb shelters. I'm talking about dozens more being killed by bombs and shot dead by soldiers. If you get punched, I will stand by you and feel sorry for you and try to help you and keep you safe. But if your response is to pull out a knive and stab the attacker to death, I will call you a murderer. It's horrible that Israelis live under constant threat and the 1200 victims of the Hamas attacks on October 7th should be mourned. But it's hard to feel mournful for Israelis when Israel has killed an order of magnitude more in the months since (and even more over the years prior). Even the Americans gave the world more time to sympathize with the victims of 9/11 before engaging in retaliation against the countries it deemed responsible (in lieu of Saudi Arabia). I'm German. Criticising Israel doesn't make me "look good". It's not something to do in polite conversation in my country and even the political left frequently eschews the topic and insists on passivity because of our country's history. I don't celebrate Hamas as I don't condone the murder of civilians and believe that calling all Israelis "colonizers" or saying that makes them complicit and thus valid military targets is morally bankrupt. But that is the same reason I object to the IDF's disregard for human life and its dishonest claim to be the "most humane military". I don't stand with the pro-Hamas Islamists that celebrated the October 7 attack in the streets of Berlin, I stand with the Jewish Bundists and anti-Zionists that don't want to be used as shields by Israel to justify its military's thirst for blood. We can simplify this. You really only have two options: you can claim that the pictures of levelled city blocks in Gaza are fake, that the death toll is a complete fabrication (i.e. wrong by multiple orders of magnitude) and that the UN organisations, the international aid organisations, all non-Israeli journalists and Jewish anti-Zionists and Bundists are lying and helping to spread misinformation to make Israel look bad. Or you can claim that the pictures and the numbers are real and the death of all of these humans is justified because you either consider all Palestinians a threat to Jews or think the life of one Jew is worth the death of tens of Palestinians. The first one makes me think you're delusional, the second one makes me think you're a monster. I don't see a third option but maybe you can elaborate.

gryzzly 3y ago
Israel has no “military thirst for blood” and is protecting its citizens from literal massacres, thousands of rocket launches and hostage capturing, and infiltrations by terrorists, and inciting jihadism across “still civilian” population.
tptacek 3y ago
It is in fact not at all hard to feel mournful for Israelis killed on October 7th.
- hnbad 3y ago
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