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What's the state of MiniLED for gaming/movies? Isn't that best of both worlds? No burn-in, higher brightness (I know OLED would be pain to use in a room where b

What's the state of MiniLED for gaming/movies? Isn't that best of both worlds? No burn-in, higher brightness (I know OLED would be pain to use in a room where blinds cannot be pulled down all the time). And image quality can match, or be better than OLED?

newZWhoDis 3y ago
MiniLED is trash. MicroLED is the only thing that will dethrone OLED
mgrandl 3y ago
You are thinking of MicroLED. MiniLED is mostly just marketing and not close to OLED.
- pawelduda 3y ago
  I was specifically referring to MiniLED, because it is actually available in the market as of today. And it does appear to be close to OLED.
  - imp0cat 3y ago
    They are capable of displaying brighter whites and darker blacks, but not at the same time. :( Check the "starfield" test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVSQTHYZXD0&t=715 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVSQTHYZXD0&t=715 - the LG OLED TV shows all the stars on a perfectly black background, the Sony LED TV shows all the stars, but the background is not perfectly black. The TCL MiniLED TV shows near-perfect black background, but is missing most of the stars!
  - layer8 3y ago
    The additional contrast of MiniLED is very low-resolution (2000 pixels or so per dimming zone). It is useless for text, for example.
- guilamu 3y ago
  MiniLED is not "just marketing" according to rtings: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/innocn/27m2v https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/innocn/27m2v
  - potatolicious 3y ago
    Yeah, I'm actually personally pretty excited about MiniLED. It's not "perfect" in terms of lighting like OLEDs or MicroLEDs are, but they also don't suffer from many of the downsides like burn-in. The fact that it's not as good as OLED on one performance metric doesn't mean it's smoke and mirrors, it's just a middle ground technology that makes different tradeoffs.
  - itishappy 3y ago
    How are you interpreting these? Contrast, local-dimming, and black-level are all fairly poor compared to the the perfect scores received by OLED monitors. To be fair, MiniLED displays are significantly cheaper than OLED displays, but their performance isn't really comparable.
    - newZWhoDis 3y ago
      Don’t forget LCD’s garbage response times. “MiniLED” screens smear a lot and lack the crisp smoothness of OLED’s 0.1ms response time
      - layer8 3y ago
        You still have motion blur with OLED due to sample-and-hold. Techniques like backlight scanning or BFI are needed to achieve true motion clarity.
    - guilamu 3y ago
      Oh, I agree. $1,200 monitors are mostly better than $300 ones. A more interesting comparison here IMHO is with panels using the same technology, sold around the same price (IPS or VA) and lacking Mini-LEDs backlighting. Rtings seems to conclude that Mini-LEDs backlighting is far better than full panel back lighting. Hell, I'm using one right now (KTC M27T20, paid 330 euros) and it's just amazingly good... even if not as good as OLED. Also, right now, OLED also suffer from text fringing issues : https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1682676702 https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=...
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  MiniLED is better for displays in bright environments that need better lifetimes.
AndrewDucker 3y ago
Lots of OLED TVs out there. I'm not aware of any that need the blinds pulled down to use.
- pawelduda 3y ago
  I sometimes need to limit outdoor light for watching a non-OLED TV, can't imagine not having to do that even more with your average OLED
SirMaster 3y ago
MiniLED is just LCD panel with an array of small white LEDs acting as a local array dimmable backlight. MicroLED is like OLED but using tiny LEDs for each sub-pixel. MicroLED is still far from affordable prices and also not really able to make high resolution like 4K in a common sized TV or display. MicroLED are mostly still like 100"+ to reach 4K pixel density.
ksec 3y ago
>What's the state of MiniLED for gaming/movies? If it is within your budget, take a look at Sony X95L MiniLED TV. If there was an award for least complained TV set on avsforum in recent history ( if not the whole history ) it would be the X95L. Although I am eagerly waiting for the 2024 series to see what Sony has to offer in terms of MiniLED.
- imp0cat 3y ago
  Or save your money and get a X90L and some bias lightning (ie. Medialight MK2 Flex). But at this time of year, I'd probably rather wait for 2024 models.

newZWhoDis 3y ago

MiniLED is trash. MicroLED is the only thing that will dethrone OLED

mgrandl 3y ago

You are thinking of MicroLED. MiniLED is mostly just marketing and not close to OLED.

pawelduda 3y ago
I was specifically referring to MiniLED, because it is actually available in the market as of today. And it does appear to be close to OLED.
- imp0cat 3y ago
  They are capable of displaying brighter whites and darker blacks, but not at the same time. :( Check the "starfield" test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVSQTHYZXD0&t=715 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVSQTHYZXD0&t=715 - the LG OLED TV shows all the stars on a perfectly black background, the Sony LED TV shows all the stars, but the background is not perfectly black. The TCL MiniLED TV shows near-perfect black background, but is missing most of the stars!
- layer8 3y ago
  The additional contrast of MiniLED is very low-resolution (2000 pixels or so per dimming zone). It is useless for text, for example.
guilamu 3y ago
MiniLED is not "just marketing" according to rtings: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/innocn/27m2v https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/innocn/27m2v
- potatolicious 3y ago
  Yeah, I'm actually personally pretty excited about MiniLED. It's not "perfect" in terms of lighting like OLEDs or MicroLEDs are, but they also don't suffer from many of the downsides like burn-in. The fact that it's not as good as OLED on one performance metric doesn't mean it's smoke and mirrors, it's just a middle ground technology that makes different tradeoffs.
- itishappy 3y ago
  How are you interpreting these? Contrast, local-dimming, and black-level are all fairly poor compared to the the perfect scores received by OLED monitors. To be fair, MiniLED displays are significantly cheaper than OLED displays, but their performance isn't really comparable.
  - newZWhoDis 3y ago
    Don’t forget LCD’s garbage response times. “MiniLED” screens smear a lot and lack the crisp smoothness of OLED’s 0.1ms response time
    - layer8 3y ago
      You still have motion blur with OLED due to sample-and-hold. Techniques like backlight scanning or BFI are needed to achieve true motion clarity.
  - guilamu 3y ago
    Oh, I agree. $1,200 monitors are mostly better than $300 ones. A more interesting comparison here IMHO is with panels using the same technology, sold around the same price (IPS or VA) and lacking Mini-LEDs backlighting. Rtings seems to conclude that Mini-LEDs backlighting is far better than full panel back lighting. Hell, I'm using one right now (KTC M27T20, paid 330 euros) and it's just amazingly good... even if not as good as OLED. Also, right now, OLED also suffer from text fringing issues : https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1682676702 https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=...
mensetmanusman 3y ago
MiniLED is better for displays in bright environments that need better lifetimes.

AndrewDucker 3y ago

Lots of OLED TVs out there. I'm not aware of any that need the blinds pulled down to use.

pawelduda 3y ago
I sometimes need to limit outdoor light for watching a non-OLED TV, can't imagine not having to do that even more with your average OLED

SirMaster 3y ago

MiniLED is just LCD panel with an array of small white LEDs acting as a local array dimmable backlight. MicroLED is like OLED but using tiny LEDs for each sub-pixel. MicroLED is still far from affordable prices and also not really able to make high resolution like 4K in a common sized TV or display. MicroLED are mostly still like 100"+ to reach 4K pixel density.

ksec 3y ago

>What's the state of MiniLED for gaming/movies? If it is within your budget, take a look at Sony X95L MiniLED TV. If there was an award for least complained TV set on avsforum in recent history ( if not the whole history ) it would be the X95L. Although I am eagerly waiting for the 2024 series to see what Sony has to offer in terms of MiniLED.

imp0cat 3y ago
Or save your money and get a X90L and some bias lightning (ie. Medialight MK2 Flex). But at this time of year, I'd probably rather wait for 2024 models.