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NAFTA is a good thing for usa, it’s one of the major reasons why usa still exports what it can export. USA spends 6x more money on every american in healthcare

NAFTA is a good thing for usa, it’s one of the major reasons why usa still exports what it can export. USA spends 6x more money on every american in healthcare, spends more on weapons than next 5 militaries combined, spends way more than any other country on education per child. No USA isn’t an anarcho capitalist societ, it is just a WILDLY inefficient country hijacked by utopian bullshit people who think money grows on trees, finances bad policies, then facepalm and hide their incompetence, cuz typically people with utopian ideas are terribly bad at reaching that utopia. This isn’t the 50s or 60s, governments have done a lot to improve the lives of average americans, its just the latest versions of it, are incompetent and the public is to forgiving to them. Too many politicians who lack drive, intellect and sheer will. When you have presidents and senators older than the average life expectancy of a lot of middle income countries. This is what happens. Usa isnt some evil doomed country run by anarchists, it’s a country that has saved itself from many threats before, and rediscovered itself many times and pushed through. It needs to fix itself again, NAFTA is not the problem, it’s what’s keeping the americas still “barely” competitive and giving a chance to reshoring manufacturers

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
"NAFTA is a good thing for usa" Nope: https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ "USA spends 6x more money on every american in healthcare" https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spending-global-perspective/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spendin... It's tough for me to not look at your claims as not malicious given how thoroughly and completely they have been debunked by the record. The fact taht you use spending as some kind of proxy for good says your foundational conception of what society is for is flawed. So I'm not sure what else there is to say.
- teitoklien 3y ago
  You missed this part that i mentioned right after the spending metrics > it is just a WILDLY inefficient country It has worse outcomes because it wastes a lot, that’s what I was saying. > It's tough for me to not look at your claims as not malicious You are too quick to think, everyone on this planet is out to get you or has “malicious” and “evil” intentions. > "NAFTA is a good thing for usa" Nope: https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ You’re missing the long term idea around NAFTA, it’s to make America competitive again and curb its reliance on other continents like europe or asia. They want to reshore manufacturing to usa and its neighbours. This is necessary. The way you just shut it up and say “nope” that it removes short term bargaining power for american workers. It’s like talking about the industrial revolution or the agricultural revolution which brought efficiencies and made those countries more productive. Back then they argued that it was removing bargaining power of people working at farms, that it was taking away jobs like being a tailor at a sweatshop working your way to death. Standard of living of americans are much better now, NAFTA long term is planned to be like that, it may fail, but bets are on to make it succeed. I’d recommend talking to a therapist, all this anarcho capitalism, a random HN commenter being somehow “malicious” and this “evil agenda” to change people’s opinions on HN, idk this is too much drama. Just have a civil conversation, we are humans, not demons or angels.
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    Evil is when good men stand by and do nothing or worse benefit from broken system I suggest reading Diogenes I have a great therapist already though ;)

AndrewKemendo 3y ago

"NAFTA is a good thing for usa" Nope: https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ "USA spends 6x more money on every american in healthcare" https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spending-global-perspective/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spendin... It's tough for me to not look at your claims as not malicious given how thoroughly and completely they have been debunked by the record. The fact taht you use spending as some kind of proxy for good says your foundational conception of what society is for is flawed. So I'm not sure what else there is to say.

teitoklien 3y ago
You missed this part that i mentioned right after the spending metrics > it is just a WILDLY inefficient country It has worse outcomes because it wastes a lot, that’s what I was saying. > It's tough for me to not look at your claims as not malicious You are too quick to think, everyone on this planet is out to get you or has “malicious” and “evil” intentions. > "NAFTA is a good thing for usa" Nope: https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ https://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/ You’re missing the long term idea around NAFTA, it’s to make America competitive again and curb its reliance on other continents like europe or asia. They want to reshore manufacturing to usa and its neighbours. This is necessary. The way you just shut it up and say “nope” that it removes short term bargaining power for american workers. It’s like talking about the industrial revolution or the agricultural revolution which brought efficiencies and made those countries more productive. Back then they argued that it was removing bargaining power of people working at farms, that it was taking away jobs like being a tailor at a sweatshop working your way to death. Standard of living of americans are much better now, NAFTA long term is planned to be like that, it may fail, but bets are on to make it succeed. I’d recommend talking to a therapist, all this anarcho capitalism, a random HN commenter being somehow “malicious” and this “evil agenda” to change people’s opinions on HN, idk this is too much drama. Just have a civil conversation, we are humans, not demons or angels.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Evil is when good men stand by and do nothing or worse benefit from broken system I suggest reading Diogenes I have a great therapist already though ;)