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A year ago, Elon Musk was saying Tesla was going to have a million robotaxis on the road by now. It wasn't even just him. Investors also were predicting this.

A year ago, Elon Musk was saying Tesla was going to have a million robotaxis on the road by now. It wasn't even just him. Investors also were predicting this. But it looks like Google/Waymo is the only one with reliable self driving technology. If they don't give up like Google typically does. This could actually be a huge business for them. Everyone I know who has used the Waymo service had good things to say about it and we are just at the beginning. The FSD problem will become easily as you scale up due to the fact that these AI can easily communicate with all the cars around them unlike human drivers.

danrl 3y ago
Have driven in Waymo and Cruise quite a hit. Don’t wanna beat a dead horse, so let’s talk about Waymo only: It improved every time from when I first got access to today, where a lot of people can use it now. I even had my visiting parents riding in Waymo cars a couple of times and they felt saved and loved it, and they are not really early adopters of anything :) When in SF I always prefer Waymo over any other form of ride service or ride share. Disclaimer: Google LLC employee. No relations to Waymo, just a fan of self driving in general.
jeffbee 3y ago
> AI can easily communicate with all the cars around them As a long time anti-abuse engineer, I cannot agree. The game theoretic aspect of trusting data acquired from outside parties cannot be overcome. Cooperative AVs will never exist.
- kirubakaran 3y ago
  Even if the data is signed by a key in the secure enclave of the source?
- impulser_ 3y ago
  They already do. Drones can cooperate between each other.
  - xnx 3y ago
    "Outside parties" is the key part. Cooperation between trusted agents is no problem. Everyone else could be an adversary.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> A year ago, Elon Musk was saying Tesla was going to have a million robotaxis on the road by now. It wasn't even just him. Investors also were predicting this. He's been saying that for a long time. I think it was 2017. "By 2019, it will be financially irresponsible not to own a Tesla." and that the average owner would be making $30K a year with their Tesla out taxiing when they weren't using the vehicle. Which should have been alarm bells for the bullshit meter for anyone with a room temperature IQ. "We've designed this money-printing machine. And rather than keeping all that money for ourselves, we're going to sell them all to you! (After we charge you $12,000 for it...)" And you know that if Robotaxi Tesla ever does actually appear, it will be another charge atop the FSD for that software too. All it does is give me vibes of "Here's how you can get rich quick, like me: step 1, give me money to hear me tell you how people can get rich quick."

danrl 3y ago

Have driven in Waymo and Cruise quite a hit. Don’t wanna beat a dead horse, so let’s talk about Waymo only: It improved every time from when I first got access to today, where a lot of people can use it now. I even had my visiting parents riding in Waymo cars a couple of times and they felt saved and loved it, and they are not really early adopters of anything :) When in SF I always prefer Waymo over any other form of ride service or ride share. Disclaimer: Google LLC employee. No relations to Waymo, just a fan of self driving in general.

jeffbee 3y ago

> AI can easily communicate with all the cars around them As a long time anti-abuse engineer, I cannot agree. The game theoretic aspect of trusting data acquired from outside parties cannot be overcome. Cooperative AVs will never exist.

kirubakaran 3y ago
Even if the data is signed by a key in the secure enclave of the source?
impulser_ 3y ago
They already do. Drones can cooperate between each other.
- xnx 3y ago
  "Outside parties" is the key part. Cooperation between trusted agents is no problem. Everyone else could be an adversary.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> A year ago, Elon Musk was saying Tesla was going to have a million robotaxis on the road by now. It wasn't even just him. Investors also were predicting this. He's been saying that for a long time. I think it was 2017. "By 2019, it will be financially irresponsible not to own a Tesla." and that the average owner would be making $30K a year with their Tesla out taxiing when they weren't using the vehicle. Which should have been alarm bells for the bullshit meter for anyone with a room temperature IQ. "We've designed this money-printing machine. And rather than keeping all that money for ourselves, we're going to sell them all to you! (After we charge you $12,000 for it...)" And you know that if Robotaxi Tesla ever does actually appear, it will be another charge atop the FSD for that software too. All it does is give me vibes of "Here's how you can get rich quick, like me: step 1, give me money to hear me tell you how people can get rich quick."