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It’s funny that you’ve got several teams of thousands of engineers working on this and you label the one as “snake-oil” that has deployed their beta to hundreds
by gfodor 3y ago
It’s funny that you’ve got several teams of thousands of engineers working on this and you label the one as “snake-oil” that has deployed their beta to hundreds of thousands of cars. Musk Derangement Syndrome is real.
- kotaKat 3y agoCruise and Uber were equally snake oil, too, and have spilled more blood than Waymo or Tesla.
- kranke155 3y agoTesla Self Drive seems to have peaked? I follow the forums and subreddits on this topic, and no one has been talking about major improvements for a while now.
- LightBug1 3y agoI see no evidence of a reliable, working product delivered as promised/advertised. For years now. What do you want me to do? Pretend? Perhaps MDS is real ...
- gfodor 3y agoDo you think Tesla's approach to FSD is similarly difficult as their peers' approach, and they are just lazy and incompetent, or do you think their approach is fundamentally easier or harder? Have you thought about it at all?
- ra7 3y agoWho cares about approach? Consumers only care if the product works or not. They haven't made it work and don't look like they will make it work. You don't get brownie points if you deliberately hamstring yourselves (no sensors, no maps) and make the problem harder than it already is. It's like trying to jump higher and higher to fly to moon instead of using rockets. It doesn't mean you're tackling a fundamentally harder problem.
- gfodor 3y agoConsumers don't care, but observers who are trying to understand the nature of what's being developed do. Tesla's approach is not strictly about cars, just like their entire company isn't strictly about cars. They're reaching for something bigger than self-driving with FSD, and if they weren't doing it the way they're doing it, those additional wins wouldn't be in scope.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoI think Musk has consistently lied about engineers' understanding of how FSD can work. https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-engineers-who-knew-removing-radar-was-a-bad-idea/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-... He repeatedly claimed that having contradictory radar and camera data means the system won't know what data to trust. Anybody who has worked with data in any capacity can tell you that is complete nonsense. In the past, people would call combining this data "sensor fusion." These days, even high school kids know you just throw all your features into a model. You don't discard red channel data from your cameras because it might conflict with green channel data. Tesla Insurance doesn't throw away all features except driver age when calculating premiums.
- jtr1 3y ago“{name} Derangement Syndrome” is a really neat tool for filtering out opposing viewpoints. Pro tip: save it as a hotkey for easy deployment.
- metabagel 3y agoIt seems to be forever in beta. It’s not clear that the technology as currently implemented can ever achieve what it set out to do.
- gfodor 3y agoThat's true, it's still unclear if the method Tesla is taking will eventually work. That's not the definition of snake oil. They're approaching the problem differently, because they think if they solve it this way it will be a better outcome for a variety of reasons, and are working extremely hard on it.
- djur 3y agoWhat makes people call it snake oil is the salesperson (Musk) repeatedly making false claims about both the capability (summon your car from across the country...) and availability (... by 2018!) of the technology.
- shkkmo 3y agoThe key part of it being "snake oil" is selling the system before it actually works. It has nothing to do with the approach to solving the problem.