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incredibly cynical to not recognize the tentacles the US MIC has extended into this conflict (and others) also I mean, you literally have politicians talking u

incredibly cynical to not recognize the tentacles the US MIC has extended into this conflict (and others) also I mean, you literally have politicians talking up military aid as an indirect US jobs program

alephnerd 3y ago
It's war. War always has a downstream technological and economic impact. Before the US began supporting Ukraine in 2022, Russia was actively testing it's own next-gen weapons platforms in Donbas, which lead to the downing of MH17 [0] and the development of Turkiye's drone warfare program [1] as Ukraine couldn't afford (edit: was unable to get weapons transfers as NATO did not want to escalate) American weaponry so they went with Turkiye. If the US didn't support Ukraine, then why should non-treaty American Partners like India, Vietnam, Philippines, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, etc align with the US? [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 [1] - https://www.fpri.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/turkeys-response-to-the-russia-ukraine-crisis-1.pdf https://www.fpri.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/turkeys-resp...
- riku_iki 3y ago
  > Ukraine couldn't afford American weaponry so they went with Turkiye. US refused selling weapons to Ukraine because didn't want to escalate.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Correct. I brainfarted. Edited
consumer451 3y ago
It would also be incredibly politically blind to not identify the effects of Putin declaring to the Duma that he wants to rebuild the USSR. [0] Similarly, it would be naive not to identify the influence of petro-funded Wahhabism spreading Jihad throughout the Muslim world. [1] Another political alignment which somehow missed the conversion is the one which today, in December of 2023, prevents Maersk (and the rest of the global economy from sailing through the Suez canal) while Moscow's tankers sail through with no issues. [2] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Yemen_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Yemen_relations [3] Let's skip the CCP for convience
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  > the effects of Putin declaring to the Duma that he wants to rebuild the USSR. [0] Where does the article say that Putin made such a declaration?

alephnerd 3y ago

It's war. War always has a downstream technological and economic impact. Before the US began supporting Ukraine in 2022, Russia was actively testing it's own next-gen weapons platforms in Donbas, which lead to the downing of MH17 [0] and the development of Turkiye's drone warfare program [1] as Ukraine couldn't afford (edit: was unable to get weapons transfers as NATO did not want to escalate) American weaponry so they went with Turkiye. If the US didn't support Ukraine, then why should non-treaty American Partners like India, Vietnam, Philippines, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, etc align with the US? [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 [1] - https://www.fpri.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/turkeys-response-to-the-russia-ukraine-crisis-1.pdf https://www.fpri.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/turkeys-resp...

riku_iki 3y ago
> Ukraine couldn't afford American weaponry so they went with Turkiye. US refused selling weapons to Ukraine because didn't want to escalate.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Correct. I brainfarted. Edited

consumer451 3y ago

It would also be incredibly politically blind to not identify the effects of Putin declaring to the Duma that he wants to rebuild the USSR. [0] Similarly, it would be naive not to identify the influence of petro-funded Wahhabism spreading Jihad throughout the Muslim world. [1] Another political alignment which somehow missed the conversion is the one which today, in December of 2023, prevents Maersk (and the rest of the global economy from sailing through the Suez canal) while Moscow's tankers sail through with no issues. [2] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Yemen_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Yemen_relations [3] Let's skip the CCP for convience

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
> the effects of Putin declaring to the Duma that he wants to rebuild the USSR. [0] Where does the article say that Putin made such a declaration?