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The police don’t behave this way in most other wealthy countries. For reasons that aren’t relevant context, I have had encounters with the police multiple time
by tristor 3y ago
The police don’t behave this way in most other wealthy countries. For reasons that aren’t relevant context, I have had encounters with the police multiple times in the US and in numerous countries abroad and the difference in behavior is stark and clear.
The FBI presumably has the responsibility and authority to police sheriffs departments and police departments that aren’t behaving appropriately, and the FBI is part of the Executive Branch. It would be relatively straightforward for the President to task resources to focus on this specific problem and ask the DoJ to focus on prosecuting civil rights cases.
Elsewhere someone suggest a privacy amendment to the Constitution, we already have that and it’s the 4th amendment. We don’t need more legal protections, we need to actually hold police officers and departments accountable. We need to enforce the laws we already have, most importantly the Constitution, against officers and end effectively limitless immunity.
We also need to raise hiring standards. The minimum standard to be a police officer in most civilized countries is similar to our requirements for FBI agents. Most police officers on duty in the US are uneducated, ignorant, and stupid so it is not a surprise that belligerent behavior is the norm. Only in the US did we actually have police departments placing a cap on the IQ of incoming officers. Only in the US do we have no national requirement for someone to serve as an officer. Some cities require a certification or attendance to a police academy, but there’s no national standard. Only in the US is the average cop your high school bully given a gun and a badge.
There’s a lot more that could be done here. Hell, it doesn’t even have to be blue-tinted government action, it could be red-tinted government inaction by getting prosecutors to defect from the gang and uphold the right of self defense, correctly aligned to the actual law, in matters involving the police. It is legal under the letter and color of law to use lethal force to defend yourself against unlawful conduct by the police, most especially if they are attempting to use unlawful force or make an unlawful arrest, however as a practical matter prosecutors are in the gang and will “back the blue” no matter what. We could easily make even the idiots we hire as cops think twice before busting down a door without a warrant, announcing their purpose, or just plain knocking first.
What I am very clearly not saying is any such stupidity as “disband the police”. In a well functioning society, the police serve a valuable purpose. We are not currently a well functioning society, and part of why is because the police operate like thugs.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoAmerican cops might be the worst but they are by no means the only ones that are systematically bad. Cops are detested by large swaths of the population everywhere. France?? Just this past summer? Literal entire books have been written about how routinely indian police use torture. etc etc. Even if ours are the worst (idk) the problem is hardly unique to us.
- tristor 3y agoI don’t think it’s unique to the US, but it’s unique to the US among wealthy well functioning democracies. Most of the other countries where police abuse is rampant are poorer deeply corrupt countries, India is a great example in fact. India is at least a democracy, but it’s very much still developing and has corruption at nearly every level and facet of society, including police abuses. It’s nearly the opposite of well functioning.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoFrance? And in Canada the police are detested by indigenous people for their long and consistent history of horrific treatment for example but not limited to the "starlight tours." These are the only non-american countries I have first hand knowledge of but it's enough for me to realize the problem is not limited to the US and developing nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths
- tristor 3y agoI'm not sure what your point is? Every country on Earth historically has treated their indigenous peoples badly. Most still do. I'm not trying to boil the ocean or solve racism (assuming it's even solvable) here, I'm simply saying we have existing mechanisms to hold police accountable and we've simply decided as a society to not do so, and we should instead to decide to hold them accountable and to raise our standards for being a police officer. I'm sorry I didn't enumerate every bad thing the police have ever done in every single country on Earth. I don't really know what you're expecting from the reply you made to me?