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Please describe to me how believing in evolution is going to help Bill put my plumbing or electrical system in correctly or be able to have a good crop this yea

Please describe to me how believing in evolution is going to help Bill put my plumbing or electrical system in correctly or be able to have a good crop this year.

crazydoggers 3y ago
Bill is a voter, voting on matters of extreme importance to us all. Also, evolution is not a belief, it’s a fact. Raising a population that can’t tell fact from fiction has profound consequences to us all. Those plumbers and electricians interact with us all in complicated ways, not just their jobs. The PISA assessment by the OECD demonstrates that only 13.5% of American students age 15 were able to distinguish fact from opinion in reading tests. In a democracy, that matters more than plumbing and electrical job ability.
- doodlebugging 3y ago
  >The PISA assessment by the OECD demonstrates that only 13.5% of American students age 15 were able to distinguish fact from opinion in reading tests. This is so important. Raising a generation of children who are so easily misled because they never learned to think rationally or to do research at any level is already biting this country.
- a_subsystem 3y ago
  Currently (2023), homeschoolers make up less than 7% of the population. That is likely an all time high. So what you're telling me is that government schools are catastrophically bad at enabling American students to distinguish fact from opinion? Also, homeschoolers do better on standardized tests than their government schooled counterparts. So it seems like we should be advocating for and advancing homeschool interests if we actually care about education, since it is the homeschoolers who are 'doing it right', according to outcomes.
  - crazydoggers 3y ago
    Yes our public schools are doing a poor job. And given the majority of kids go to public school; that is where the attention needs to be directed. The problem is also that homeschooling has massively different outcomes for different kids. For some it’s a positive, for others it deepens divides. Homeschooling is worse than a bandaid solution, and a regression for many kids. We can’t ignore those who are hurt by an ongoing deregulation of our educational system just because it works for some. And worse, we need to look closely at how that system is being abused by those with specific agendas.
- Whoppertime 3y ago
  I thought evolution was a theory not a fact
- CompanionCubee 3y ago
  > The PISA assessment by the OECD demonstrates that only 13.5% of American students age 15 were able to distinguish fact from opinion in reading tests. What's the distribution among public and home schooling? Also what is the rate for adults?
nerdjon 3y ago
This is a flawed idea that there is a one to one relation that everything you learn is something that will be directly used in the future. I mean how often do we hear something along the lines of "I never used the algebra I learned in highschool" or calculus or whatever. The reality is that while a lot of school is teaching you the basics, a lot of it is also just teaching you how to learn and how to think critically. Or just giving you an appreciation for basic things (like science) so when you come across a new concept in your adult life you can better appreciate it and not dismiss it.
- a_subsystem 3y ago
  >> a lot of it is also just teaching you how to learn and how to think critically It does not appear that this is happening in government run schools as prevalently as you may want to believe.
  - nerdjon 3y ago
    I never said it was perfect, but I am pointing out that your argument is fundamentally flawed. Even if it isn't happening as much as it should be, doesn't change that there is still value in a proper science and math education. We know that thanks to republicans many schools can no longer give their kids a proper education.

Please describe to me how believing in evolution is going to help Bill put my plumbing or electrical system in correctly or be able to have a good crop this year.

crazydoggers 3y ago

Bill is a voter, voting on matters of extreme importance to us all. Also, evolution is not a belief, it’s a fact. Raising a population that can’t tell fact from fiction has profound consequences to us all. Those plumbers and electricians interact with us all in complicated ways, not just their jobs. The PISA assessment by the OECD demonstrates that only 13.5% of American students age 15 were able to distinguish fact from opinion in reading tests. In a democracy, that matters more than plumbing and electrical job ability.

doodlebugging 3y ago
>The PISA assessment by the OECD demonstrates that only 13.5% of American students age 15 were able to distinguish fact from opinion in reading tests. This is so important. Raising a generation of children who are so easily misled because they never learned to think rationally or to do research at any level is already biting this country.
a_subsystem 3y ago
Currently (2023), homeschoolers make up less than 7% of the population. That is likely an all time high. So what you're telling me is that government schools are catastrophically bad at enabling American students to distinguish fact from opinion? Also, homeschoolers do better on standardized tests than their government schooled counterparts. So it seems like we should be advocating for and advancing homeschool interests if we actually care about education, since it is the homeschoolers who are 'doing it right', according to outcomes.
- crazydoggers 3y ago
  Yes our public schools are doing a poor job. And given the majority of kids go to public school; that is where the attention needs to be directed. The problem is also that homeschooling has massively different outcomes for different kids. For some it’s a positive, for others it deepens divides. Homeschooling is worse than a bandaid solution, and a regression for many kids. We can’t ignore those who are hurt by an ongoing deregulation of our educational system just because it works for some. And worse, we need to look closely at how that system is being abused by those with specific agendas.
Whoppertime 3y ago
I thought evolution was a theory not a fact
CompanionCubee 3y ago
> The PISA assessment by the OECD demonstrates that only 13.5% of American students age 15 were able to distinguish fact from opinion in reading tests. What's the distribution among public and home schooling? Also what is the rate for adults?

nerdjon 3y ago

This is a flawed idea that there is a one to one relation that everything you learn is something that will be directly used in the future. I mean how often do we hear something along the lines of "I never used the algebra I learned in highschool" or calculus or whatever. The reality is that while a lot of school is teaching you the basics, a lot of it is also just teaching you how to learn and how to think critically. Or just giving you an appreciation for basic things (like science) so when you come across a new concept in your adult life you can better appreciate it and not dismiss it.

a_subsystem 3y ago
>> a lot of it is also just teaching you how to learn and how to think critically It does not appear that this is happening in government run schools as prevalently as you may want to believe.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  I never said it was perfect, but I am pointing out that your argument is fundamentally flawed. Even if it isn't happening as much as it should be, doesn't change that there is still value in a proper science and math education. We know that thanks to republicans many schools can no longer give their kids a proper education.