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What is worse about the weight? Are you trying to lift your vehicles? There are trade offs to weight, but I’m not sure it’s worse. Price is worse if you ignore

What is worse about the weight? Are you trying to lift your vehicles? There are trade offs to weight, but I’m not sure it’s worse. Price is worse if you ignore total cost of ownership… otherwise price is generally better. (Ie model 3 is cheaper than Corolla) I think you need to drive a Tesla they corner extremely well. Time to refuel… but you plug it in at night so you don’t need to refuel, I’d call this a trade off not better or worse. Centre of gravity is basically perfect. What are you referring to as negative here? Model Y sells more units per quarter than any other vehicle ever. Is that not the definition of popular? Obviously vehicles that have been around longer have sold more volume. The ex CEO of vw said himself Tesla has revolutionised ev manufacture in a way they struggled to match. Referring to their 45 second model Y production rate.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > There are trade offs to weight More weight, they feel like boats in corners, there is a reason why cornering on a motorbike feels better than cornering in a car, and cornering in a light car always feels better than a heavy car. On a heavy EV you can't drift , you can't slide the back, no mechanical feedback, no sound eww. > > Price is worse if you ignore total cost of ownership… otherwise price is generally better. (Ie model 3 is cheaper than Corolla) There are Toyotas out there with 1M miles on the same engine whereas Tesla need total overhaul after 100k miles, not to mention diesel trucks, there are diesel trucks out there with 5M miles on the same engine. > > Time to refuel… but you plug it in at night so you don’t need to refuel, I’d call this a trade off not better or worse. When I buy a car I want to be able to use it 24/7/365, it is way worse to need 7 hours to recharge as opposed to a 30 seconds splash and go. > > Model Y sells more units per quarter than any other vehicle ever And you extrapolate this quarterly data thinking it will reach the same level of sales of VW Golfs and Corollas, that's the mistake. VW and Corolla at cumulatively 200M units sold they moved (and still move the world) , Teslas move a bunch of rich guys who want to virtue signal, there is a limited number of them.
- onethought 3y ago
  Okay. I ride bikes and EVs. Cornering on a bike (ie two wheels) is way slower and harder than what an EV feels like. I don’t believe you are speaking from experience at all. Else you would know this. Honestly the whole line of thinking on petrol is better is just change resistance rather than rationality. Most people drive 60 miles a day. Cars stay parked more than they are driven. Electricity is ubiquitous. EVs, particularly teslas solve this: home charging for casual use, super chargers for road trips. Cornering in an EV with regen and instant torque is not comparable to any other type of vehicle and is vastly superior (even with the extra weight). Having driven a lotus (considered extremely light) and model 3 on the same stretch of road. The model 3 is superior in almost every way. (There is something still fun about rumbling engines and gears that EVs miss). I think when you look at total cost of ownership you need to look at average length of ownership. Most people do not keep their car for 1M miles. For a Tesla, not really “overhaul” generally it is often a motor and/or battery replacement. It does kind of look like an overhaul given the simplicity of the drive train. But it’s two parts. On the contrary: Tesla, or EVs in general are Better and safer. They are outselling every other vehicle because of that. Not because there are suddenly more rich people or virtue signallers in the world.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > Okay. I ride bikes and EVs. Cornering on a bike (ie two wheels) is way slower and harder than what an EV feels like. It depends on the type of bike and the skill of the rider ;) > > petrol is better is just change resistance Re-inventing the wheel should be done for the benefit of consumers, the whole electricity revoloution in automotive is a political thing imposed by the elites who have too much free time on their hands so they worry about how's the climate is gonna be 50 years from now, whereas normal people don't even plan on living that long. > > Electricity is ubiquitous So is oil, you need it for literally everything in a city ranging from cement to lubricants to asphalt and it's much easier to transport to the rural areas, quite frankly you and I would not be here if it wasn't the case > > The model 3 is superior in almost every Then why does the Model 3 lose every lap time comparisons in corner intense tracks like the Nurburgring or Laguna Seca or Silverstone, and not only that, the gas car will be able to do laps for the whole day, the Model 3 overheats and would leave you stranded > > Most people do not keep their car for 1M miles That's because they fail much sooner than that, in an industry which is 200 years old there is nothing left to invent (again if not for political purposes) so old cars seem extremely attractive, BMWs and Mercedes from 2003 have better UI and interiors than many new cars, especially Teslas > > Tesla are Better and safer Has Tesla ever achieved anything like Mercedes did in Laredo Texas back in long gone 2005? Video below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRbV4pIdyc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRbV4pIdyc I am sure not, because large mouth Musk would have kept tweeting about it, but such levels of reliability in extreme conditions are sadly way beyond the capabilities of the automobiles manufactured in his factories (or should I say tents?)

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

> > There are trade offs to weight More weight, they feel like boats in corners, there is a reason why cornering on a motorbike feels better than cornering in a car, and cornering in a light car always feels better than a heavy car. On a heavy EV you can't drift , you can't slide the back, no mechanical feedback, no sound eww. > > Price is worse if you ignore total cost of ownership… otherwise price is generally better. (Ie model 3 is cheaper than Corolla) There are Toyotas out there with 1M miles on the same engine whereas Tesla need total overhaul after 100k miles, not to mention diesel trucks, there are diesel trucks out there with 5M miles on the same engine. > > Time to refuel… but you plug it in at night so you don’t need to refuel, I’d call this a trade off not better or worse. When I buy a car I want to be able to use it 24/7/365, it is way worse to need 7 hours to recharge as opposed to a 30 seconds splash and go. > > Model Y sells more units per quarter than any other vehicle ever And you extrapolate this quarterly data thinking it will reach the same level of sales of VW Golfs and Corollas, that's the mistake. VW and Corolla at cumulatively 200M units sold they moved (and still move the world) , Teslas move a bunch of rich guys who want to virtue signal, there is a limited number of them.

onethought 3y ago
Okay. I ride bikes and EVs. Cornering on a bike (ie two wheels) is way slower and harder than what an EV feels like. I don’t believe you are speaking from experience at all. Else you would know this. Honestly the whole line of thinking on petrol is better is just change resistance rather than rationality. Most people drive 60 miles a day. Cars stay parked more than they are driven. Electricity is ubiquitous. EVs, particularly teslas solve this: home charging for casual use, super chargers for road trips. Cornering in an EV with regen and instant torque is not comparable to any other type of vehicle and is vastly superior (even with the extra weight). Having driven a lotus (considered extremely light) and model 3 on the same stretch of road. The model 3 is superior in almost every way. (There is something still fun about rumbling engines and gears that EVs miss). I think when you look at total cost of ownership you need to look at average length of ownership. Most people do not keep their car for 1M miles. For a Tesla, not really “overhaul” generally it is often a motor and/or battery replacement. It does kind of look like an overhaul given the simplicity of the drive train. But it’s two parts. On the contrary: Tesla, or EVs in general are Better and safer. They are outselling every other vehicle because of that. Not because there are suddenly more rich people or virtue signallers in the world.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > Okay. I ride bikes and EVs. Cornering on a bike (ie two wheels) is way slower and harder than what an EV feels like. It depends on the type of bike and the skill of the rider ;) > > petrol is better is just change resistance Re-inventing the wheel should be done for the benefit of consumers, the whole electricity revoloution in automotive is a political thing imposed by the elites who have too much free time on their hands so they worry about how's the climate is gonna be 50 years from now, whereas normal people don't even plan on living that long. > > Electricity is ubiquitous So is oil, you need it for literally everything in a city ranging from cement to lubricants to asphalt and it's much easier to transport to the rural areas, quite frankly you and I would not be here if it wasn't the case > > The model 3 is superior in almost every Then why does the Model 3 lose every lap time comparisons in corner intense tracks like the Nurburgring or Laguna Seca or Silverstone, and not only that, the gas car will be able to do laps for the whole day, the Model 3 overheats and would leave you stranded > > Most people do not keep their car for 1M miles That's because they fail much sooner than that, in an industry which is 200 years old there is nothing left to invent (again if not for political purposes) so old cars seem extremely attractive, BMWs and Mercedes from 2003 have better UI and interiors than many new cars, especially Teslas > > Tesla are Better and safer Has Tesla ever achieved anything like Mercedes did in Laredo Texas back in long gone 2005? Video below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRbV4pIdyc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRbV4pIdyc I am sure not, because large mouth Musk would have kept tweeting about it, but such levels of reliability in extreme conditions are sadly way beyond the capabilities of the automobiles manufactured in his factories (or should I say tents?)