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It takes real courage to stand up to a request in those circumstances. A notable example from a few years ago was this nurse [0] who was unlawfully arrested and

It takes real courage to stand up to a request in those circumstances. A notable example from a few years ago was this nurse [0] who was unlawfully arrested and forcefully dragged away by an officer when she refused to take blood samples from an unconscious patient without a warrant. Imagine how much more difficult it would be to resist this when you're a clerk in a retail store working in public. [0]: https://apnews.com/article/321440980fd54809a5bf8e404cfe4367 https://apnews.com/article/321440980fd54809a5bf8e404cfe4367 (Edited to add context)

monkaiju 3y ago
https://app.copdb.org/incidents/2ea95420-2070-4c9d-8e72-f1c68fe11359 https://app.copdb.org/incidents/2ea95420-2070-4c9d-8e72-f1c6...
VBprogrammer 3y ago
What makes it worse is that the person they were attempting to get the blood from was actually the innocent victim in a crash which resulted from a police chase. The police had no reason to believe the driver was under the influence.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  In fact even worse, I believe, was that the person being chased was LE-affiliated and was under the influence.
autoexec 3y ago
After that happened, laws were passed to make it perfectly legal to get blood from unconscious patients without a warrant (https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/732852170/supreme-court-affirms-police-can-draw-blood-from-unconscious-drivers https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/732852170/supreme-court-affir...) and to help avoid the problem of doctors and nurses interfering with the demands of the police, departments in several states have started training officers to draw blood from suspects themselves right on the side of the road so there's no need to take most people to a hospital. Jeff Payne, the Utah cop who was fired after his violent arrest of that nurse went viral, later got hired by the Weber County Sheriff’s Office to work in the medical unit of the county jail.

monkaiju 3y ago

https://app.copdb.org/incidents/2ea95420-2070-4c9d-8e72-f1c68fe11359 https://app.copdb.org/incidents/2ea95420-2070-4c9d-8e72-f1c6...

VBprogrammer 3y ago

What makes it worse is that the person they were attempting to get the blood from was actually the innocent victim in a crash which resulted from a police chase. The police had no reason to believe the driver was under the influence.

FireBeyond 3y ago
In fact even worse, I believe, was that the person being chased was LE-affiliated and was under the influence.

autoexec 3y ago

After that happened, laws were passed to make it perfectly legal to get blood from unconscious patients without a warrant (https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/732852170/supreme-court-affirms-police-can-draw-blood-from-unconscious-drivers https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/732852170/supreme-court-affir...) and to help avoid the problem of doctors and nurses interfering with the demands of the police, departments in several states have started training officers to draw blood from suspects themselves right on the side of the road so there's no need to take most people to a hospital. Jeff Payne, the Utah cop who was fired after his violent arrest of that nurse went viral, later got hired by the Weber County Sheriff’s Office to work in the medical unit of the county jail.