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With a hands-off approach, you would naturally see more women be the stay-at-home caregiver. If a balance is desired, that's when you would have to force things

With a hands-off approach, you would naturally see more women be the stay-at-home caregiver. If a balance is desired, that's when you would have to force things. I'm more curious about the motivation behind wanting to force a gender balance.

igetspam 3y ago
What evidence do you have to support your assertion that women would naturally give up their independence to stay at home?
lotsofpulp 3y ago
With a hands-off approach, you would naturally see males constantly fight each other to lead the pack and mate with multiple women, with women having little choice in the matter. Assuming you want a more peaceful existence, and for women to have a choice in the matter, society needs to get hands-on to force a gender balance.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  And anyway, what hands are we talking about? Human nature is whatever humans do I guess, and that includes things like inventing feminism and equality.
tzs 3y ago
> I'm more curious about the motivation behind wanting to force a gender balance. I don't think anyone suggested forcing a gender balance. In the past in the US single-worker households were the standard. The expectation was that except for a few jobs, for example school teacher or nurse, women only worked until they got married. There was no law that said women doing other kinds of jobs had to leave the workforce when they got married, but many employers strongly favored hiring men. Similar when they wanted to promote someone they would favor men. They didn't particularly have anything against women per say, but felt that a man with a stay at home wife needed the work more than a married woman with a working husband. When someone wrote: >> Single-worker households should be the standard, just, without the gender imbalance I think they had in mind how the single-worker household norm used to work, and by "without the gender imbalance" meant dropping the assumption that in single-worker male/female households the worker should be the man.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  That is mostly what I meant, just dropping the assumption that there ought to be an imbalance. I also very much think there would not tend to be an imbalance in a modern advanced economy; we’ll tend to be equal, and that most gender imbalances are just transient effects from history. This is just a prediction, though, I have no data to back it up. I don’t think there can be data on this, we do not have a statistically robust number of globalized information economies, we have just the one.

igetspam 3y ago

What evidence do you have to support your assertion that women would naturally give up their independence to stay at home?

lotsofpulp 3y ago

With a hands-off approach, you would naturally see males constantly fight each other to lead the pack and mate with multiple women, with women having little choice in the matter. Assuming you want a more peaceful existence, and for women to have a choice in the matter, society needs to get hands-on to force a gender balance.

bee_rider 3y ago
And anyway, what hands are we talking about? Human nature is whatever humans do I guess, and that includes things like inventing feminism and equality.

tzs 3y ago

> I'm more curious about the motivation behind wanting to force a gender balance. I don't think anyone suggested forcing a gender balance. In the past in the US single-worker households were the standard. The expectation was that except for a few jobs, for example school teacher or nurse, women only worked until they got married. There was no law that said women doing other kinds of jobs had to leave the workforce when they got married, but many employers strongly favored hiring men. Similar when they wanted to promote someone they would favor men. They didn't particularly have anything against women per say, but felt that a man with a stay at home wife needed the work more than a married woman with a working husband. When someone wrote: >> Single-worker households should be the standard, just, without the gender imbalance I think they had in mind how the single-worker household norm used to work, and by "without the gender imbalance" meant dropping the assumption that in single-worker male/female households the worker should be the man.

bee_rider 3y ago
That is mostly what I meant, just dropping the assumption that there ought to be an imbalance. I also very much think there would not tend to be an imbalance in a modern advanced economy; we’ll tend to be equal, and that most gender imbalances are just transient effects from history. This is just a prediction, though, I have no data to back it up. I don’t think there can be data on this, we do not have a statistically robust number of globalized information economies, we have just the one.