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>Well, look at all the other countries where universal healthcare has been implemented. Oversimplification. Most countries that have universal healthcare do ma

>Well, look at all the other countries where universal healthcare has been implemented. Oversimplification. Most countries that have universal healthcare do many other things in addition that you aren't accounting for. The US healthcare system is not the same as Europe's but its not single payer. >Look at all the countries with free university. Yes, the cost is lower. See the above. >Fixed fees and a single payer obviously would have that effect, like everywhere else it's been tried. So now you're starting to get the idea. It's not just single payer. Never was.

closewith 3y ago
Ah, so your argument is that a purposely sabotaged/neutered form of healthcare (that certainly wouldn't be universal) won't reduced costs. Well, yes, that's what the US has now. Edit: I do love the deliberately obtuse comments from Americans on political topics like education, healthcare, gun control, etc. It's hard to believe intelligent people honest hold these absurd views.
- thereddaikon 3y ago
  Your argument is in bad faith and you're speaking from smug ignorance. That's not what I said. My point is that the US and European systems have more differences than just who pays the medical bills. And if you just address the payment without any of the multitude of issues in the US system you are doomed to fail. I think it would end up a lot like the college loan system has. Because the ones responsible for the high costs wouldn't have any reason to change what they are doing. For example, many hospitals and clinics in the US have been bought up in the last decade and are now owned by massive health care companies who have outsized power. They are able to eliminate competition not just for patients but also for healthcare workers looking for job opportunities. CHI is one such example. You need to bust them up. Every aspect of the US system will have examples like this. I'm not saying single payer wont work. I'm saying single payer on its own isn't a solution because so much more is broken that isn't broken elsewhere.

closewith 3y ago

Ah, so your argument is that a purposely sabotaged/neutered form of healthcare (that certainly wouldn't be universal) won't reduced costs. Well, yes, that's what the US has now. Edit: I do love the deliberately obtuse comments from Americans on political topics like education, healthcare, gun control, etc. It's hard to believe intelligent people honest hold these absurd views.

thereddaikon 3y ago
Your argument is in bad faith and you're speaking from smug ignorance. That's not what I said. My point is that the US and European systems have more differences than just who pays the medical bills. And if you just address the payment without any of the multitude of issues in the US system you are doomed to fail. I think it would end up a lot like the college loan system has. Because the ones responsible for the high costs wouldn't have any reason to change what they are doing. For example, many hospitals and clinics in the US have been bought up in the last decade and are now owned by massive health care companies who have outsized power. They are able to eliminate competition not just for patients but also for healthcare workers looking for job opportunities. CHI is one such example. You need to bust them up. Every aspect of the US system will have examples like this. I'm not saying single payer wont work. I'm saying single payer on its own isn't a solution because so much more is broken that isn't broken elsewhere.