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Well, if you follow ther IHRA's definition of antisemitism that says "criticism of the state of Israel is considered antisemtic". Germany adopted that. But ther

Well, if you follow ther IHRA's definition of antisemitism that says "criticism of the state of Israel is considered antisemtic". Germany adopted that. But there are other definitions of antisemtism. The jerusalem declaration of antisemtism for instance. Btw: Israel is currently governed by an ultra-right fascist government with members like Ben Gvir (convicted terrorist), Smotrich, and the likes. They have incited pogroms (says the IDF) or have openly called for annexing all of West Bank. So criticism of this government is--according to IHRA--antisemtic.

gryzzly 3y ago
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-defin... What is antisemitic: "Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust." "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor." "Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel." What can be used as a guidance: "Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits." Are you reading this differently than I do? This doesn’t anywhere say you can’t criticise Israel. But the point is that no one would criticise another country that protects its people against brutal massacre, hostage capture and constant (over 9000 rockets in the last 2 months) rocket fire saying the military action is "genocide", for example. It is not genocide, and unlike most other countries, I assume (maybe if Finland or New Zealand had to protect themselves I imagine), it provides humanitarian routes and drops leaflets with safety advice, calls civilians etc. and then Hamas uses these humanitarian areas and prevents the people from moving to the safer areas. And demanding "cease fire", calling this genocide, or simply chanting "from the river to the sea" is all 100% antisemitic.
- frob 3y ago
  > And demanding "cease fire" ... is all 100% antisemitic. Please, I encourage you to take a good long moment to think about what you just wrote. You are effectively saying that it is the Jewish position that Gazans should be killed. 1% of Gazans are already dead. Do you mean to say that Jews who call for a ceasefire, like many I know do, are antisemites?
  - gryzzly 3y ago
    i am not saying what you wrote.
- wenebego 3y ago
  The Likud party also uses "from the river to the sea" are they 100% antisemitic?
  - gryzzly 3y ago
    can you direct me to a place where anyone is chanting "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" if you like to quote Begin? What are you saying? It is pretty clear what I mean no?
    - wenebego 3y ago
      Thats not what you said before, so thats not what im saying now. Read the last sentence of the post i replied to if you're confused
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gryzzly 3y ago

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-defin... What is antisemitic: "Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust." "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor." "Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel." What can be used as a guidance: "Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits." Are you reading this differently than I do? This doesn’t anywhere say you can’t criticise Israel. But the point is that no one would criticise another country that protects its people against brutal massacre, hostage capture and constant (over 9000 rockets in the last 2 months) rocket fire saying the military action is "genocide", for example. It is not genocide, and unlike most other countries, I assume (maybe if Finland or New Zealand had to protect themselves I imagine), it provides humanitarian routes and drops leaflets with safety advice, calls civilians etc. and then Hamas uses these humanitarian areas and prevents the people from moving to the safer areas. And demanding "cease fire", calling this genocide, or simply chanting "from the river to the sea" is all 100% antisemitic.

frob 3y ago
> And demanding "cease fire" ... is all 100% antisemitic. Please, I encourage you to take a good long moment to think about what you just wrote. You are effectively saying that it is the Jewish position that Gazans should be killed. 1% of Gazans are already dead. Do you mean to say that Jews who call for a ceasefire, like many I know do, are antisemites?
- gryzzly 3y ago
  i am not saying what you wrote.
wenebego 3y ago
The Likud party also uses "from the river to the sea" are they 100% antisemitic?
- gryzzly 3y ago
  can you direct me to a place where anyone is chanting "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" if you like to quote Begin? What are you saying? It is pretty clear what I mean no?
  - wenebego 3y ago
    Thats not what you said before, so thats not what im saying now. Read the last sentence of the post i replied to if you're confused
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