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> BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree Ah, right. Too much content moderation is the biggest problem wit

> BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree Ah, right. Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. /s

cybrox 3y ago
Just because it's not THE biggest problem doesn't mean that it isn't A problem. More specifically not YouTubes moderation itself but the way in which its systems can be abused.
- the_gastropod 3y ago
  Right. But “lol, we’ll just get rid of moderation, bro” is an incredibly naive and dangerous non-solution. I think it frustrates many stereotypical “tech bro” types that there exist problems that are difficult or impossible for technology to solve. Content moderation is a messy business. But it’s necessary business.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    Getting rid of centralized moderation and unilateral censorship is not the same as "getting rid of moderation, bro".
itsoktocry 3y ago
>Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. But controlling what you see is easy! Just don't watch it. As opposed to controlling what you can't, which you are at the mercy of YouTube to provide. Or is it that you want to control what other people see?
- the_gastropod 3y ago
  Yes. Most reasonable people don’t want anyone sharing CSAM, for example.
  - skinkestek 3y ago
    Agree that there are things we don't want to exist, but by your logic internet should have been forbidden a long time ago. This can be said for so many situations: Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Most people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Etc. You can say we have laws about cars. Yes, but those laws aren't enforced by Ford or Volkswagen. Edit: or by Shell or Exxon for that matter. There will be laws about content on internet even if Google can't willy nilly remove the channel of Warthog Defense because it hurt some russians feelings.
    - the_gastropod 3y ago
      > Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Mist people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Right! And the solution also isn’t “fuck it. Too complicated to do perfectly. No discipline in schools / no traffic laws”.
      - skinkestek 3y ago
        No, but the solution is hopefully much closer to traditional western style punishment of switchboard operators who listen in or interfere and far far away from Stasi style mandatory snitching?
      - segfaltnh 3y ago
        Exactly right. I don't understand why people miss this detail. Maybe Google does have too much power over how content is served, but this isn't a fix, at all.
      - rglullis 3y ago
        Decentralization does not mean anarchy. The discipline and the laws come from the bottom up. Also, they are usually better than the ones imposed by a central planner because they can be developed faster and within the context of the social norms and culture of the people who are subject to it.
- Avshalom 3y ago
  You can also control what people can't see on nostr, by simply rejecting/deleting any messages from relays or ids you don't like. This isn't a big problem for something like plain text because it's cheap to run a relay that only stores text but if you're letting people upload/download video... That gets expensive fast.
l33tman 3y ago
Just vaguely reminds me of: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you...
Proven 3y ago
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jimmydoreornot 3y ago
I hard disagree. And you cannot stop us. #resist

> BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree Ah, right. Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. /s

cybrox 3y ago

Just because it's not THE biggest problem doesn't mean that it isn't A problem. More specifically not YouTubes moderation itself but the way in which its systems can be abused.

the_gastropod 3y ago
Right. But “lol, we’ll just get rid of moderation, bro” is an incredibly naive and dangerous non-solution. I think it frustrates many stereotypical “tech bro” types that there exist problems that are difficult or impossible for technology to solve. Content moderation is a messy business. But it’s necessary business.
- rglullis 3y ago
  Getting rid of centralized moderation and unilateral censorship is not the same as "getting rid of moderation, bro".

itsoktocry 3y ago

>Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. But controlling what you see is easy! Just don't watch it. As opposed to controlling what you can't, which you are at the mercy of YouTube to provide. Or is it that you want to control what other people see?

the_gastropod 3y ago
Yes. Most reasonable people don’t want anyone sharing CSAM, for example.
- skinkestek 3y ago
  Agree that there are things we don't want to exist, but by your logic internet should have been forbidden a long time ago. This can be said for so many situations: Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Most people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Etc. You can say we have laws about cars. Yes, but those laws aren't enforced by Ford or Volkswagen. Edit: or by Shell or Exxon for that matter. There will be laws about content on internet even if Google can't willy nilly remove the channel of Warthog Defense because it hurt some russians feelings.
  - the_gastropod 3y ago
    > Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Mist people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Right! And the solution also isn’t “fuck it. Too complicated to do perfectly. No discipline in schools / no traffic laws”.
    - skinkestek 3y ago
      No, but the solution is hopefully much closer to traditional western style punishment of switchboard operators who listen in or interfere and far far away from Stasi style mandatory snitching?
    - segfaltnh 3y ago
      Exactly right. I don't understand why people miss this detail. Maybe Google does have too much power over how content is served, but this isn't a fix, at all.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      Decentralization does not mean anarchy. The discipline and the laws come from the bottom up. Also, they are usually better than the ones imposed by a central planner because they can be developed faster and within the context of the social norms and culture of the people who are subject to it.
Avshalom 3y ago
You can also control what people can't see on nostr, by simply rejecting/deleting any messages from relays or ids you don't like. This isn't a big problem for something like plain text because it's cheap to run a relay that only stores text but if you're letting people upload/download video... That gets expensive fast.

l33tman 3y ago

Just vaguely reminds me of: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you...

Proven 3y ago

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jimmydoreornot 3y ago

I hard disagree. And you cannot stop us. #resist