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Not sure what constitutes merit to you, but here is American Diabetes Association saying it's a myth that diabetes is caused by eating sugar - http://main.diabe

Not sure what constitutes merit to you, but here is American Diabetes Association saying it's a myth that diabetes is caused by eating sugar - http://main.diabetes.org/ws/ADM/MRC_ADM_2018_Myths.pdf http://main.diabetes.org/ws/ADM/MRC_ADM_2018_Myths.pdf

jbaber 3y ago
That's a weird pamphlet. It goes on to say sugary soda increases risk because it's calorie and carbohydrate high. I get that "cause" is too strong, genetic predisposition is a huge factor, etc. But can we really expect that an 1800 calorie/day diet of sugar cubes is no more likely to cause insulin insensitivity than 1800 calories of non-sugary/starchy food?
- TylerLives 3y ago
  Comparing things in isolation like that is not very useful because you need other nutrients too. If a person ate 1800 calories from milk, orange juice and some amount of white sugar, honey etc. I don't think they would be more likely to develop insulin insensitivity. Sugar shouldn't be eaten alone. I'm not sure if this is true, but Ray Peat here claims that potassium has a similar role to insulin, so eating fruits and milk won't negatively affect your blood sugar as much - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYAihAkCaw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYAihAkCaw8
  - jbaber 3y ago
    Certainly. Lots of ways to blunt sugar's effects on blood-sugar by eating it with something else. And this can be specific to individuals. Apples don't impact me much at all, but do for other people. My contrived sugar-cube-diet is dumb. I only mean, if insulin resistance is a problem you want to avoid, don't demand your body produce tons of insulin all the time to counter consuming things that spike blood-sugar. I'm only weirded out by the specific "Type 2 diabetes is not caused by sugar, but by genetics and lifestyle factors." when the "lifestyle factors" listed in the pamphlet include diets high in sugar.
silisili 3y ago
Thanks, this is good. I wasn't trying to discredit, the site just seemed unprofessional and gave me a vibe. I am curious, like the other poster, how it says eating sugar isn't necessarily a cause but sugary drinks are. I wonder if that's due to their use of fructose?
- TylerLives 3y ago
  It could be because of other lifestyle choices or predispositions which correlate with drinking sugary drinks. It could also be because those drinks don't have potassium or other nutrients which are present in fruits.

jbaber 3y ago

That's a weird pamphlet. It goes on to say sugary soda increases risk because it's calorie and carbohydrate high. I get that "cause" is too strong, genetic predisposition is a huge factor, etc. But can we really expect that an 1800 calorie/day diet of sugar cubes is no more likely to cause insulin insensitivity than 1800 calories of non-sugary/starchy food?

TylerLives 3y ago
Comparing things in isolation like that is not very useful because you need other nutrients too. If a person ate 1800 calories from milk, orange juice and some amount of white sugar, honey etc. I don't think they would be more likely to develop insulin insensitivity. Sugar shouldn't be eaten alone. I'm not sure if this is true, but Ray Peat here claims that potassium has a similar role to insulin, so eating fruits and milk won't negatively affect your blood sugar as much - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYAihAkCaw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYAihAkCaw8
- jbaber 3y ago
  Certainly. Lots of ways to blunt sugar's effects on blood-sugar by eating it with something else. And this can be specific to individuals. Apples don't impact me much at all, but do for other people. My contrived sugar-cube-diet is dumb. I only mean, if insulin resistance is a problem you want to avoid, don't demand your body produce tons of insulin all the time to counter consuming things that spike blood-sugar. I'm only weirded out by the specific "Type 2 diabetes is not caused by sugar, but by genetics and lifestyle factors." when the "lifestyle factors" listed in the pamphlet include diets high in sugar.

silisili 3y ago

Thanks, this is good. I wasn't trying to discredit, the site just seemed unprofessional and gave me a vibe. I am curious, like the other poster, how it says eating sugar isn't necessarily a cause but sugary drinks are. I wonder if that's due to their use of fructose?

TylerLives 3y ago
It could be because of other lifestyle choices or predispositions which correlate with drinking sugary drinks. It could also be because those drinks don't have potassium or other nutrients which are present in fruits.