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For me it seems like you interpret a lot into the text as an opposition from you own believes. It’s seems somewhat unreasonable how you claim for true values o

by javaunsafe2019 3y ago

For me it seems like you interpret a lot into the text as an opposition from you own believes. It’s seems somewhat unreasonable how you claim for true values of an real working class life while typing text into a keyboard that for certain some of those cosmopolitan has invented back in the days. You live in a too simplified model for whatever reasons imo

Vektorceraptor 3y ago
The claim that it is only cosmopolitans or progressives who advance progress and the course of the world, which is made without any evidence and is only an expression of your own bias and preference, cannot be made in this way. You neither really know who worked on it under what conditions and with what personality, nor do you have the right to attribute to them values that you personally like. It is precisely these unjustified attacks that in reality do not advance the world, but rather destroy it from within, because they pretend to have something, namely objective validity, but in reality they are just very personal evaluations and ideas that are imposed on others in a way that can clearly be described as arrogant and insulting. Anyone who loses people's favor in this way need not be surprised if they turn their backs on them.
- javaunsafe2019 3y ago
  Where did I claim that only ? I just have some elderly innovators in my personal life who invented important laser technologies which are not crucial in every day life and they are exactly those cosmopolitans you were talking about. I just wanted to give you another perspective
  - Vektorceraptor 3y ago
    Then of course I can understand you very well. In such an environment, happiness and optimism thrive much more easily. I think you're lucky to be surrounded by people like that. As Tolstoy said: 'All happy families are alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way'
    - javaunsafe2019 3y ago
      But could you then maybe try to explain me your post once more cause maybe I missed it. I thought you were saying that the cosmopolitan people don’t produce valuable things compared to normal labour aka white collar vs blue collar. For which I responded that ofc the educated people of the cities produced values but at a more complex often times abstract level. For instance information technologies, chemistry, medicine to name a few. So did I missed your point?
      - eastof 3y ago
        I think the two groups are separable. Most real scientists and engineers I know are mostly focused on methods and data. They don't waste their time with cosmopolitan ideas and they recognize their own ignorance in areas like politics.
        selimthegrim 3y ago
        All right, they can go ahead and bury their head in the sand until like Landau, Kapitza, Khalatnikov, Sakharov, Orlov and Shubnikov it catches up with them.

Vektorceraptor 3y ago

The claim that it is only cosmopolitans or progressives who advance progress and the course of the world, which is made without any evidence and is only an expression of your own bias and preference, cannot be made in this way. You neither really know who worked on it under what conditions and with what personality, nor do you have the right to attribute to them values that you personally like. It is precisely these unjustified attacks that in reality do not advance the world, but rather destroy it from within, because they pretend to have something, namely objective validity, but in reality they are just very personal evaluations and ideas that are imposed on others in a way that can clearly be described as arrogant and insulting. Anyone who loses people's favor in this way need not be surprised if they turn their backs on them.

javaunsafe2019 3y ago
Where did I claim that only ? I just have some elderly innovators in my personal life who invented important laser technologies which are not crucial in every day life and they are exactly those cosmopolitans you were talking about. I just wanted to give you another perspective
- Vektorceraptor 3y ago
  Then of course I can understand you very well. In such an environment, happiness and optimism thrive much more easily. I think you're lucky to be surrounded by people like that. As Tolstoy said: 'All happy families are alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way'
  - javaunsafe2019 3y ago
    But could you then maybe try to explain me your post once more cause maybe I missed it. I thought you were saying that the cosmopolitan people don’t produce valuable things compared to normal labour aka white collar vs blue collar. For which I responded that ofc the educated people of the cities produced values but at a more complex often times abstract level. For instance information technologies, chemistry, medicine to name a few. So did I missed your point?
    - eastof 3y ago
      I think the two groups are separable. Most real scientists and engineers I know are mostly focused on methods and data. They don't waste their time with cosmopolitan ideas and they recognize their own ignorance in areas like politics.
      - selimthegrim 3y ago
        All right, they can go ahead and bury their head in the sand until like Landau, Kapitza, Khalatnikov, Sakharov, Orlov and Shubnikov it catches up with them.