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> One account for your privacy > Your @murena.io account is at the center of the your private digital life, allowing you to store, back up and retrieve your da

> One account for your privacy > Your @murena.io account is at the center of the your private digital life, allowing you to store, back up and retrieve your data safely on remote servers. Not very private

geraldhh 3y ago
are you going for something specific here, or is it just a reference to @icloud?
LeifCarrotson 3y ago
At least their incentives are aligned. Google is an advertising company. I expect them to serve ads based on their reading of any Gmail emails, Drive documents, or image analysis of Google Photos, any Google Search/Maps queries, any Chrome browsing, and notifications/app usage/other entries in Googleified Android. That makes storing documents in Google's cloud significantly not private. Murena's whole reason for being is privacy, if it came out through whistleblowing or user analysis that Murena was analyzing and selling user data... that would (I hope, though I have less faith than I used to) that would sink the company. I'm not paranoid enough to think that Google or the FBI is attacking the CalyxOS supply chain with rootkits that analyze/upload data on Murena phones in the same way they do on regular Android phones because that data is not useful to them. If they can't show ads in your murena.io email, why would they go to great lengths to read it? I do think that the only option left for those who are individual targets of investigation from a nation-state or international mega corporation is to not use cloud services and smartphones.
- _rdvw 3y ago
  They've already leaked user data once and never published a follow up like they said they would, just told users to delete files/contacts/calendars that weren't their own. https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may/41252/27 https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may... Per https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/configuration_files/encryption_configuration.html https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/config... > The encryption app does not protect your data if your Nextcloud server is compromised, and it does not prevent Nextcloud administrators from reading user’s files. It encrypts only the contents of files, and not filenames and directory structures.

geraldhh 3y ago

are you going for something specific here, or is it just a reference to @icloud?

LeifCarrotson 3y ago

At least their incentives are aligned. Google is an advertising company. I expect them to serve ads based on their reading of any Gmail emails, Drive documents, or image analysis of Google Photos, any Google Search/Maps queries, any Chrome browsing, and notifications/app usage/other entries in Googleified Android. That makes storing documents in Google's cloud significantly not private. Murena's whole reason for being is privacy, if it came out through whistleblowing or user analysis that Murena was analyzing and selling user data... that would (I hope, though I have less faith than I used to) that would sink the company. I'm not paranoid enough to think that Google or the FBI is attacking the CalyxOS supply chain with rootkits that analyze/upload data on Murena phones in the same way they do on regular Android phones because that data is not useful to them. If they can't show ads in your murena.io email, why would they go to great lengths to read it? I do think that the only option left for those who are individual targets of investigation from a nation-state or international mega corporation is to not use cloud services and smartphones.

_rdvw 3y ago
They've already leaked user data once and never published a follow up like they said they would, just told users to delete files/contacts/calendars that weren't their own. https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may/41252/27 https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may... Per https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/configuration_files/encryption_configuration.html https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/config... > The encryption app does not protect your data if your Nextcloud server is compromised, and it does not prevent Nextcloud administrators from reading user’s files. It encrypts only the contents of files, and not filenames and directory structures.