http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869288 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869288 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869427 http://news.ycombinator.com

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869288 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869288 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869427 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3869427 These are stories #3 and #8 respectively, to this story's #2.