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Everything about Rolex is average at best and overpriced mass Produced machine watches at worst.

by tsunamifury 3y ago

wfme 3y ago
Is this based on emotion or are there facts to back this up? Would love to read about it if it's the latter?
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  Collectors of Rolexes live in a bizarre netherworld where their watches aren’t mass produced machine made. This isn’t even a secret it’s openly stated. It made of few to no precious materials and is engineering a problem (time keeping) that has been solved in a variety of ways already to super accuracy. The reality is that a microscopically accurate replica can be made for 300$ in china. This isn’t true for A Lange or FP Journe, yet somehow people act like Rolex is unobtanium. They are simply the same as an LVMH canvas bag. Objects of desire because they are expensive and have no other unique features. I could get into details like how a blue hairspring is not that special or their movements are fine but nothing outstanding. But most don’t want to go that deep. Think of it like Bose. They sound good to someone who hasn’t heard anything else good.
  - aranchelk 3y ago
    Idk, if you decide you want a mechanical dive watch, just by the stats, a Sub Date is under 13mm thick, +2/-2 accuracy, made of hard materials, ceramic, sapphire, and steel alloy (no coating so it can be polished), price after purchase is only going to go up. I don’t own a Rolex, don’t want to spend that much, invite the crime, or care about the status, but I really would like for Seiko (or another value brand) to step up and offer something comparable.
  - gizajob 3y ago
    BOSE - Buy Other Sound Equipment
jdross 3y ago
This is silly. Their movements are among the most accurate out there, putting watch movements by other highly esteemed brands like Patek Philippe to shame
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  And so is a Seiko. For substantially less.
  - ohdannyboy 3y ago
    Now you're just making stuff up instead of doing a simple Google search. Regular Seikos (ie a Seiko 5) can expect around +-20 sec per day. Same with Orient and similar brands that use very cheap automatic movements. Rolex watches often do better than +-2sec per day. If you think the difference between the two is marketing you are either engaging in sophistry or painfully uninformed.
    - tsunamifury 3y ago
      This is the classic Rolex fan. Sort of brainwashed and clueless while insulting to others. Both spring drives and grands are more accurate than Rolexes. Beyond that who even cares. If you want accuracy certainly don’t get a mechanical watch.
      - ohdannyboy 3y ago
        I am not a Rolex owner or even a fan. If you meant Seikos high end products you should have said those, no one calls Grand Seikos just Seiko since they are very different. With that in mind I don't think we disagree very much here.
- MichaelDickens 3y ago
  I'm no expert but my recollection from last time I was looking into buying a watch is that quartz watches are 1-2 orders of magnitude more accurate than even top-end mechanical watches.
strunz 3y ago
This feels very much like the "Android is way better than iOS, why pay more?" argument
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  No you can go into a lot of details of how Apple engineers its cases to its proprietary M chips to technically prove their value. You can also point out value integrations in software. This isn’t a Veblen good and iPhone is very much a measurable utility.
  - aredox 3y ago
    The iPhone and iWatch are clearly status symbols. How many users really need the full power of those chips? How many actually use it? I could go into very lengthy details into the technical prowess behind Rolex watches.
    - hnfong 3y ago
      It's really silly to argue that something with >50% market share (in the US at least) is a status symbol... Maybe the top end models, but definitely not in general.
      - shard 3y ago
        Have you heard of the women who would not date men using an Android phone, as well as the kids being pressured or excluded? In some social circles Apple devices are definitely status symbols.
        hnfong 3y ago
        Women don't date homeless men either. That doesn't make having a roof over your head a status symbol.

Everything about Rolex is average at best and overpriced mass Produced machine watches at worst.

wfme 3y ago

Is this based on emotion or are there facts to back this up? Would love to read about it if it's the latter?

tsunamifury 3y ago
Collectors of Rolexes live in a bizarre netherworld where their watches aren’t mass produced machine made. This isn’t even a secret it’s openly stated. It made of few to no precious materials and is engineering a problem (time keeping) that has been solved in a variety of ways already to super accuracy. The reality is that a microscopically accurate replica can be made for 300$ in china. This isn’t true for A Lange or FP Journe, yet somehow people act like Rolex is unobtanium. They are simply the same as an LVMH canvas bag. Objects of desire because they are expensive and have no other unique features. I could get into details like how a blue hairspring is not that special or their movements are fine but nothing outstanding. But most don’t want to go that deep. Think of it like Bose. They sound good to someone who hasn’t heard anything else good.
- aranchelk 3y ago
  Idk, if you decide you want a mechanical dive watch, just by the stats, a Sub Date is under 13mm thick, +2/-2 accuracy, made of hard materials, ceramic, sapphire, and steel alloy (no coating so it can be polished), price after purchase is only going to go up. I don’t own a Rolex, don’t want to spend that much, invite the crime, or care about the status, but I really would like for Seiko (or another value brand) to step up and offer something comparable.
- gizajob 3y ago
  BOSE - Buy Other Sound Equipment

jdross 3y ago

This is silly. Their movements are among the most accurate out there, putting watch movements by other highly esteemed brands like Patek Philippe to shame

tsunamifury 3y ago
And so is a Seiko. For substantially less.
- ohdannyboy 3y ago
  Now you're just making stuff up instead of doing a simple Google search. Regular Seikos (ie a Seiko 5) can expect around +-20 sec per day. Same with Orient and similar brands that use very cheap automatic movements. Rolex watches often do better than +-2sec per day. If you think the difference between the two is marketing you are either engaging in sophistry or painfully uninformed.
  - tsunamifury 3y ago
    This is the classic Rolex fan. Sort of brainwashed and clueless while insulting to others. Both spring drives and grands are more accurate than Rolexes. Beyond that who even cares. If you want accuracy certainly don’t get a mechanical watch.
    - ohdannyboy 3y ago
      I am not a Rolex owner or even a fan. If you meant Seikos high end products you should have said those, no one calls Grand Seikos just Seiko since they are very different. With that in mind I don't think we disagree very much here.
MichaelDickens 3y ago
I'm no expert but my recollection from last time I was looking into buying a watch is that quartz watches are 1-2 orders of magnitude more accurate than even top-end mechanical watches.

strunz 3y ago

This feels very much like the "Android is way better than iOS, why pay more?" argument

tsunamifury 3y ago
No you can go into a lot of details of how Apple engineers its cases to its proprietary M chips to technically prove their value. You can also point out value integrations in software. This isn’t a Veblen good and iPhone is very much a measurable utility.
- aredox 3y ago
  The iPhone and iWatch are clearly status symbols. How many users really need the full power of those chips? How many actually use it? I could go into very lengthy details into the technical prowess behind Rolex watches.
  - hnfong 3y ago
    It's really silly to argue that something with >50% market share (in the US at least) is a status symbol... Maybe the top end models, but definitely not in general.
    - shard 3y ago
      Have you heard of the women who would not date men using an Android phone, as well as the kids being pressured or excluded? In some social circles Apple devices are definitely status symbols.
      - hnfong 3y ago
        Women don't date homeless men either. That doesn't make having a roof over your head a status symbol.