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> Of course the ruling class are telling me to "love and forgive my enemy" since that will make me easy to govern, yet those same rulers will surely annihilate

> Of course the ruling class are telling me to "love and forgive my enemy" since that will make me easy to govern, yet those same rulers will surely annihilate their enemies just as Machiavelli taught them to do. You raise a very interesting point. Look at the state of social media--the People's Platform--right now. It's nothing but grievances, hostilities, and fragmentation. "Tolerance" has itself been fashioned into a cudgel. Everybody is miserable and has a million mental health issues. The one word you don't find anyone advocating on broadcast or social media is "forgiveness." (Where's Jesus when you need him?) Love and forgiveness are requisites for neighbors to unite against common enemies, whether they be the King's enemies or the King himself. People that are angry at everyone around them are as close to feral as humans can be, and cannot be governed effectively. Petty warlords only speak the language of conflict and it's impossible to get them to agree on anything. To those ends, the military is predictably struggling to retain recruits; they're blaming TikTok to pave over our collective failure to foster any sort of love for country for so long that the kids are realizing military pay sucks, this country offers no real opportunities for growth to underclasses anymore and it's not worth dying for assholes who would leave you for dead if it saved them a dollar. We've also desensitized everyone to Communism and terrorism so much that they're starting to look favorable as means to revolution. Lack of love for each other is the biggest national security threat nobody talks about. It's what stops people from turning traitor, but what do I know. People are struggling to afford food and housing, while King Cuck and Queen Delulu insist pronoun enforcement in schools and Gravy Seals LARPing in Kansas should be our most pressing concerns. God forbid a flash mob storms the Capital again and writes a slur on the wall without killing anybody.

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jdewerd 3y ago
> God forbid a flash mob storms the Capital again and writes a slur on the wall without killing anybody They took a calculated and premeditated swipe at the seat of power. Even a liberal democracy built on loftier principles than Machiavelli's cannot afford to let this slide. The mob's purpose in the the plan devised by Eastman and enacted by Trump [1] was to serve as a distraction / excuse for Mike Pence to launch a contingent election with fake electors who would certify Trump as the victor, thereby terminating our democracy and ending the American experiment. Pence refused to do this and that's why the peaceful mob started chanting "Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence." I have to admit, before that point in time I saw Pence as the diametric opposite of every political belief I ever held -- because I did not realize that a basic belief in American democracy was up for question. I thought it went without saying that we all shared that value. We did not. But Pence did, and he set an example of "Love Thy Neighbor" that I will not soon forget. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
- 99_00 3y ago
  >The mob's purpose in the the plan devised by Eastman and enacted by Trump [1] was to serve as a distraction / excuse for Mike Pence to launch a contingent election with fake electors who would certify Trump as the victor, thereby terminating our democracy and ending the American experiment. Your source doesn't back up that statement.
  - heroprotagonist 3y ago
    The 'source' in this is the "House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack". It's hard to get more authoritative.. What isn't backed up by the source? The purpose of the mob? Accepting the government investigation reports, the fake elector plot was real. They didn't _need_ a mob to attack to push Pence into enacting it. It would have just told their story better afterwards. Optically, if you're going to steal an election by changing which electors count, after putting your own electors in as replacements, then having a mob attack the capital demanding that you respond to some made-up conspiracy is a _lot_ better optics than just enacting the plan without any kind of justification.
    - 99_00 3y ago
      >What isn't backed up by the source? The purpose of the mob? Yes. >Optically, if you're going to steal an election by changing which electors count, after putting your own electors in as replacements, then having a mob attack the capital demanding that you respond to some made-up conspiracy is a _lot_ better optics than just enacting the plan without any kind of justification. You're justifying your speculation by saying it is plausible. That doesn't change that it's speculation. It's fine for you to speculate. I was confused because you were mixing speculation with fact in the same sentence and providing a source.
      - heroprotagonist 3y ago
        Speculation? Not really. It is beyond reasonable conjecture as a motivation for the mob orchestration at this point. And the much more important findings around the fake elector plot are very concrete. Arguing the burden of proof on motivation for the mob orchestration is a distraction. The mob was showy and got a lot of attention, sure. But everything happening in the background has been proven beyond any doubt by now. And it was _much_ more important. This proof is not dependent on the mob attack having occurred. The facts would be the same if the mob attack had never happened. Ignore the mob attack entirely, regardless of motivation or spontaneity, and it doesn't change anything. Look, I guess it's going to be another one of those years. Our brains put these bias filters in place for their own protection. But they're horribly exploited. They're going to keep getting exploited, and we'll keep seeing attempts to build on gains from past exploitation. It's really hard, but try to work past it.
jakderrida 3y ago
> God forbid a flash mob storms the Capital again and writes a slur on the wall without killing anybody. Except for the capitol police officer whose skull was busted open after being brutally hit in the head with a fire extinguisher over and over again. Slur on the wall? I suppose you mean the literal feces smeared all over the walls.
- nikcheerla 3y ago
  Is this Poe's law in action? Brian Sicknick was not was killed by a fire extinguisher, that was a completely made up media claim that was retracted once people saw it was based on absolutely nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick
  - mistermann 3y ago
    How the sausage that is our reality is made: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
  - jakderrida 3y ago
    > Brian Sicknick was not was killed by a fire extinguisher How do you know? Were you there? In which case, I can't trust you anyway.

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jdewerd 3y ago

> God forbid a flash mob storms the Capital again and writes a slur on the wall without killing anybody They took a calculated and premeditated swipe at the seat of power. Even a liberal democracy built on loftier principles than Machiavelli's cannot afford to let this slide. The mob's purpose in the the plan devised by Eastman and enacted by Trump [1] was to serve as a distraction / excuse for Mike Pence to launch a contingent election with fake electors who would certify Trump as the victor, thereby terminating our democracy and ending the American experiment. Pence refused to do this and that's why the peaceful mob started chanting "Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence." I have to admit, before that point in time I saw Pence as the diametric opposite of every political belief I ever held -- because I did not realize that a basic belief in American democracy was up for question. I thought it went without saying that we all shared that value. We did not. But Pence did, and he set an example of "Love Thy Neighbor" that I will not soon forget. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

99_00 3y ago
>The mob's purpose in the the plan devised by Eastman and enacted by Trump [1] was to serve as a distraction / excuse for Mike Pence to launch a contingent election with fake electors who would certify Trump as the victor, thereby terminating our democracy and ending the American experiment. Your source doesn't back up that statement.
- heroprotagonist 3y ago
  The 'source' in this is the "House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack". It's hard to get more authoritative.. What isn't backed up by the source? The purpose of the mob? Accepting the government investigation reports, the fake elector plot was real. They didn't _need_ a mob to attack to push Pence into enacting it. It would have just told their story better afterwards. Optically, if you're going to steal an election by changing which electors count, after putting your own electors in as replacements, then having a mob attack the capital demanding that you respond to some made-up conspiracy is a _lot_ better optics than just enacting the plan without any kind of justification.
  - 99_00 3y ago
    >What isn't backed up by the source? The purpose of the mob? Yes. >Optically, if you're going to steal an election by changing which electors count, after putting your own electors in as replacements, then having a mob attack the capital demanding that you respond to some made-up conspiracy is a _lot_ better optics than just enacting the plan without any kind of justification. You're justifying your speculation by saying it is plausible. That doesn't change that it's speculation. It's fine for you to speculate. I was confused because you were mixing speculation with fact in the same sentence and providing a source.
    - heroprotagonist 3y ago
      Speculation? Not really. It is beyond reasonable conjecture as a motivation for the mob orchestration at this point. And the much more important findings around the fake elector plot are very concrete. Arguing the burden of proof on motivation for the mob orchestration is a distraction. The mob was showy and got a lot of attention, sure. But everything happening in the background has been proven beyond any doubt by now. And it was _much_ more important. This proof is not dependent on the mob attack having occurred. The facts would be the same if the mob attack had never happened. Ignore the mob attack entirely, regardless of motivation or spontaneity, and it doesn't change anything. Look, I guess it's going to be another one of those years. Our brains put these bias filters in place for their own protection. But they're horribly exploited. They're going to keep getting exploited, and we'll keep seeing attempts to build on gains from past exploitation. It's really hard, but try to work past it.

jakderrida 3y ago

> God forbid a flash mob storms the Capital again and writes a slur on the wall without killing anybody. Except for the capitol police officer whose skull was busted open after being brutally hit in the head with a fire extinguisher over and over again. Slur on the wall? I suppose you mean the literal feces smeared all over the walls.

nikcheerla 3y ago
Is this Poe's law in action? Brian Sicknick was not was killed by a fire extinguisher, that was a completely made up media claim that was retracted once people saw it was based on absolutely nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick
- mistermann 3y ago
  How the sausage that is our reality is made: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
- jakderrida 3y ago
  > Brian Sicknick was not was killed by a fire extinguisher How do you know? Were you there? In which case, I can't trust you anyway.