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Previously shut down: — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Pla... in 1976
by Lammy 3y ago
Previously shut down:
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Pla... in 1976 because of "BE AFRAID!!!"
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallecitos_Nuclear_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallecitos_Nuclear_Center in 1977 because of "BE AFRAID!!!"
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Seco_Nuclear_Generating_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Seco_Nuclear_Generating... in 1989 because gas generation was artificially cheap (tell that to my current power bill)
Canceled during construction, and you can go see the big hole in the ground:
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodega_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodega_Bay_Nuclear_Power_Plant
Never started:
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundesert_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundesert_Nuclear_Power_Plant (two units)
— Corral Canyon (Malibu)
— San Joaquin Nuclear Project (four units)
— Stanislaus (two units)
— Vidal Valley (two units)
- ceejayoz 3y ago"BE AFRAID"? Both of those links indicate they discovered seismic faults below the two facilities after construction. That seems like a reasonable thing to be wary of.
- Lammy 3y agohttps://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake-hazards/science/earthquake-early-warning-overview https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake-hazards/science/ear... “The speeds of today’s data telecommunications systems are many times faster than seismic waves.” https://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/2012/12/28/what-is-a-reactor-trip-and-how-does-it-protect-the-plant/ https://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/2012/12/28/what-is-a-rea... “A reactor trip causes all the control rods to insert into the reactor core, and shut down the plant in a very short time (about three seconds).” Yawn.
- ceejayoz 3y agoJapan has automatic shutdown systems during earthquakes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident > The proximate cause of the accident was the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami, which resulted in electrical grid failure and damaged nearly all of the power plant's backup energy sources. The subsequent inability to sufficiently cool reactors after shutdown compromised containment and resulted in the release of radioactive contaminants into the surrounding environment. Yawn?
- Lammy 3y agoNote to self: do not install coastal auxiliary generators below sea-level.
- ceejayoz 3y agoOr over an active seismic fault?
- philwelch 3y agoOne person died from radiation exposure at Fukushima, from lung cancer, four years later. More people died from the evacuation. More deaths occur from rooftop solar installations, as fatal roofing accidents are one of the most common workplace fatalities. Electrical linemen also have a high rate of workplace fatalities, which means the power lines themselves are even more deadly.
- kelnos 3y agoSure, because we all know these safety systems are 100% reliable, and nothing like Fukushima (yes, I know, not quite the same conditions, but that's not the point) could happen again.
- BoiledCabbage 3y agoI've come to realize there are a percentage of people who are unable to visualize risk unless they have personally observed the issue. While others can visualize risk that has not yet happened. I'm general those in the first group, while it comes in many forms, it seems to boil down to "What are you worried about, X hasn't happened". Trying to present it as neutrally as I can the two side seen to be "Hey you're playing Russian roulette, the bullet is going to hit you if you keep pulling the trigger, stop before it does and their response is. 'Nothing has happened so far why are you worrying about nothing?'" The opposite perspective is "You worry about every possible thing that could ever happen. There are a billion things that could happen it's useless worrying about them all so just worry about the ones we've seen happen and are likely to occur." Both have their merits and their downfalls. And I think these views have become more visible recently. I feel more strongly towards one approach than the other, but I feel that often times people talk past each other because they're using fundamentally different frameworks. So not weighing in one way or the other here. More just observing that this seems to be an instance of it between OP and you.
- mcmoor 3y agoI have seen both tactics used by same person fitting to their agenda. In the end this is just another logical tactic ( or fallacy, pejoratively) and we have to keep cool mind to not be tripped by cheap tricks.
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- Aloha 3y agoTwo of those you linked were early/experimental/research reactors.