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Arxive Gets HTML Running
- schafsam 3y agoIt is almost philosophical that cutting-edge research is published in a manner that poses an accessibility challenge because converting Tex to HTML can be difficult.
- malshe 3y agoCan pandoc help?
- cald0s 3y agoPretty fitting for academia
- znpy 3y agoIn fairness, having proper math rendering in html and web browsers is very recent. Mathjax, mathml and stuff are less than 10 years old, whereas postscript and pdf are like 30 years old and generally even predate HTML and web browsers. And if you have ever had to deal with some (tenured) university professor... You know how hard is to even get them consider something new.
- cwzwarich 3y ago> Mathjax, mathml and stuff are less than 10 years old MathML is from the 90s and MathJax is from 2009.
- seanhunter 3y agoGetting arbitrary latex content to render well in HTML using mathjax is not trivial. There is a lot of valid tex that doesn't render correctly in mathjax without various little tweaks (adding newlines mainly) and of course this doesn't include package dependencies etc. I encounter this all the time because my personal notes in obsidian include a lot of equations etc. Mathjaxx will very frequently fail to render valid tex as html when you have something like $$\begin{align} and I have to go through and change this to $$ \begin{align} ...to get it to work. On another site I try to post equations to, mathjaxx will stochastically mangle equations if I post them on my ipad vs working fine (except for the issue above) if I post from my laptop.
- jessriedel 3y agoThey didn't work well at all back then. And they still work worse than LaTeX, although the deficiencies have become acceptable.
- znpy 3y agoYeah but pretty much no browser implemented mathml until fairly recent. A spec is worth very little without an usable implementation.
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- remram 3y agoWhy editorialize the title? Just to add the typo? > HTML as an accessible format for papers - arXiv
- GoblinSlayer 3y agoWill it undo the two column layout?
- tkw01536 3y agoYes it does, e.g. compare the pdf [1] and corresponding html [2]. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2312.12451.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2312.12451.pdf [2] https://browse.arxiv.org/html/2312.12451v1 https://browse.arxiv.org/html/2312.12451v1
- kevincox 3y agoIt seems like this is focused on automatic conversion of a PDF paper to HTML. I wonder if there will be the option for uploading HTML directly. It seems like generating two formats from the source will often result in a better result than "chaining" the conversions.
- TheFuzzball 3y agoIt doesn't convert from PDF, it converts from the LaTeX source.
- kevincox 3y agoAh, I missed that. That is probably better and should work well for many papers. It would still probably be nice to have the option to provide HTML directly but a much lower priority than if it was translating from the PDF.
- joseda-hg 3y agoApparently that's to be avoided, in the interest of keeping a single source of truth
- gary_0 3y agoThis looks like it might be the GitHub repo: https://github.com/arXiv/arxiv-view-as-html https://github.com/arXiv/arxiv-view-as-html If the HTML conversion code is open source, they should make that more public! Their GitHub account link is pretty buried on their website, but they seem to be active there so they might get lots of help working out the bugs that way.
- auggierose 3y agoSeems to only work for newly submitted papers. Checked an older paper of mine and it doesn't have an HTML link.
- cxr 3y agoSeveral folks got together and created the "RASH" HTML dialect a few years ago for academic papers: Silvio Peroni, Francesco Osborne, Angelo Di Iorio, Andrea Giovanni Nuzzolese, Francesco Poggi, Fabio Vitali, and Enrico Motta. 2017. “Research Articles in Simplified HTML: A Web-First Format for HTML-Based Scholarly Articles.” PeerJ Computer Science 3, October. <https://doi.org/10.7717/peerj-cs.132 https://doi.org/10.7717/peerj-cs.132>. One of the authors (Vitali), did his thesis on an editor they created, RAJE, intended to be used for writing RASH papers.
- remram 3y agoDupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38724665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38724665