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This makes me sad in a way that's a little hard to articulate. But I'll try! I plug my $9000 2013 Nissan Leaf into an ordinary 120V extension cord each night s
by zackmorris 3y ago
This makes me sad in a way that's a little hard to articulate. But I'll try!
I plug my $9000 2013 Nissan Leaf into an ordinary 120V extension cord each night so I can commute to a neighboring city for work, and the electricity costs me $20/mo. I also have a 1986 Toyota pickup like on Back to the Future that I had to gas up every other week, using 30 gallons of gas per month and costing over $100. So the operating cost of an EV is about 3-5 times lower than a gas vehicle.
My friend has an EV charging dongle that we jokingly call the octopus, which has a dozen adapters for plugging into every kind of 120/240V outlet like on ovens and dryers. So he charges his car in 4 hours out of whatever outlet is available, for the same $20/mo that I pay.
So convincing the public that everyone needs to buy a $500-1000 charging station for their EV was a social engineering campaign to slow the adoption of EVs.
The real engineering work to let us plug EVs into any outlet has not been done yet. But it would look like this:
* Level 2 J1772 chargers have a resistor that tells the EV how much wattage to draw. But that just passes the buck to the user, who now must ensure that the outlet can provide that wattage. A better system would have a smart power manager that senses current saturation or voltage drop near the point where the circuit breaker trips. We also need smart breakers that add noise/harmonics/phase as they approach their limit, which EVs would detect to self-regulate. And we need breakers that trip for a nominal time like 1 second or shorter, or however long power supplies can continue to operate uninterrupted, so that a tripped breaker isn't a showstopper.
* Nearly all US portable battery power stations come in only 120V with a 30A TT-30 plug normally used for RVs, with no 240V option unless you connect two stations for twice the price. If we want a 5000Wh/240V station so we can charge our EVs on solar power, we'll have to go to Europe or Alibaba to get it.
* Battery chargers, BMSs and inverters are notoriously finicky. They often won't charge below a certain voltage threshold, causing some solar installations to spend part of the day off. We need 95% efficient 10kW rectifiers/inverters that can take any AC/DC voltage from 0-500V and output standard 12/24/48/96/120/240/480V in all phases without requiring configuration from the user, for under $1000.
If we had these ubiquitous power tools, then choice of NACS/CCS/CHAdeMO would be moot.
Edit: I forgot to add that before Google fell, they held their Little Box Challenge in 2014 to develop a high-efficiency low-cost 95% efficient 2 kW inverter similar to the one I mentioned, so the tech has been available for almost a decade now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Box_Challenge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Box_Challenge
- stefan_ 3y agoThe reality is that particularly in winter and outside, most recent EV cars will barely gain any charge from a 120V standard power outlet - keeping the battery conditioned eats up all of that power.
- ben0x539 3y agoWhen you say winter and outside, what temperature ranges do you mean?
- zackmorris 3y agoThat hasn't been my experience charging outside in the northwest with average winter temperatures. But the charger does power a heater to keep the batteries around freezing, so you're right, it's better to charge in a garage. And cold weather causes additional losses, but I would expect no more than 20% or so. I lose 10% range just by running the dashboard heater.
- martythemaniak 3y agoI don't understand your comment. Tesla sells a charger for $230 that comes with 120V/15A and 240V/50A connectors (https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector). You can also buy a connectors for every type of socket there is (https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters). I had a 240V outlet installed in my garage and plug that in there to charge. I also bring it with me if I go to cottages, etc. I've used that with questionable sockets and extension cables and the charging speed automatically switches to lower amps if it can't draw the full 12A. You install a dedicated charger if you want 80A or to mount it outside (it's weatherproof) What am I missing?
- megaman821 3y agoNEMA 50 with the mobile charger is the way to go. It is future proof and only charges a tiny bit slower than the dedicated Tesla wall connector. Not to mention with a NEMA 30 adapter it can charge up RVs.
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