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CCS2 is terrible, I'd hate to be forced to use that giant bulky connector and cable. The EU got it wrong. Design by committee always sucks.

apexalpha 3y ago
It was designed by VW I think, who handed it over to other car companies so there could be a universal connector. The reason it's bigger is because it supports 3-phase power, which NACS does not. 3-phase power is a big thing in Europe.
- keep_reading 3y ago
  This is very true about 3 phase, but I have heard that there is interest in it being used in EU for AC charging in public garages because it can handle anything up to 277 volts vs J1772 which can only do 208/240. So they can give it 1 of the 3 phases @ 220V and it will work unlike J1772. Allegedly. But I kind of doubt it will go anywhere when they've been forcing CCS2 on everyone.
  - Symbiote 3y ago
    The CCS2 AC-only connector (the one for normal charging at home, destination charging and so on) already supports 3-phase with up to 480V phase-to-phase, up to 22kW. It's larger than the NACS connector — there are two additional large pins — but not unwieldy.
- _zoltan_ 3y ago
  so much so that I have a 22kW 3 phase charger at home. (AC, type 2)
- newZWhoDis 3y ago
  3 phase is stupid. DC or bust.
  - Mazzen 3y ago
    Do you know what you are talking about. Can't decide whether you are joking or whether you really think people should charge via DC in their homes
- stephenr 3y ago
  The CCS Type 2 plug was designed by Mennekes - it's even referred to as "Mennekes plug" in some places.
  - apexalpha 3y ago
    I stand corrected! Thanks
ClassyJacket 3y ago
It is a horrible, heavy connector.
- rekoil 3y ago
  It's big, but it really doesn't matter in practice. Yes, J1772 looks nicer and is easier to handle, but it can't pump as much wattage as CCS2, and in the end that's watt (:P) matters.
  - keep_reading 3y ago
    It matters when it's -20C and the cable can't bend
    - rekoil 3y ago
      Honestly hasn't been an issue to me. I'd also like to point out that that's really only true with cables designed to carry currents that can't be supported by J1772 anyway...
rockinghigh 3y ago
I've used both the US Tesla plug and CCS2. CCS2 is bulkier and heavier but it makes no difference in the daily life. A standardized connector is also a lot nicer than dealing with adapters.
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apexalpha 3y ago

It was designed by VW I think, who handed it over to other car companies so there could be a universal connector. The reason it's bigger is because it supports 3-phase power, which NACS does not. 3-phase power is a big thing in Europe.

keep_reading 3y ago
This is very true about 3 phase, but I have heard that there is interest in it being used in EU for AC charging in public garages because it can handle anything up to 277 volts vs J1772 which can only do 208/240. So they can give it 1 of the 3 phases @ 220V and it will work unlike J1772. Allegedly. But I kind of doubt it will go anywhere when they've been forcing CCS2 on everyone.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  The CCS2 AC-only connector (the one for normal charging at home, destination charging and so on) already supports 3-phase with up to 480V phase-to-phase, up to 22kW. It's larger than the NACS connector — there are two additional large pins — but not unwieldy.
_zoltan_ 3y ago
so much so that I have a 22kW 3 phase charger at home. (AC, type 2)
newZWhoDis 3y ago
3 phase is stupid. DC or bust.
- Mazzen 3y ago
  Do you know what you are talking about. Can't decide whether you are joking or whether you really think people should charge via DC in their homes
stephenr 3y ago
The CCS Type 2 plug was designed by Mennekes - it's even referred to as "Mennekes plug" in some places.
- apexalpha 3y ago
  I stand corrected! Thanks

ClassyJacket 3y ago

It is a horrible, heavy connector.

rekoil 3y ago
It's big, but it really doesn't matter in practice. Yes, J1772 looks nicer and is easier to handle, but it can't pump as much wattage as CCS2, and in the end that's watt (:P) matters.
- keep_reading 3y ago
  It matters when it's -20C and the cable can't bend
  - rekoil 3y ago
    Honestly hasn't been an issue to me. I'd also like to point out that that's really only true with cables designed to carry currents that can't be supported by J1772 anyway...

rockinghigh 3y ago

I've used both the US Tesla plug and CCS2. CCS2 is bulkier and heavier but it makes no difference in the daily life. A standardized connector is also a lot nicer than dealing with adapters.

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