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What is the relevance of university affiliation with respect to the assertion? Housing cost is merely a function of what the buyer is willing to bear. They coul

What is the relevance of university affiliation with respect to the assertion? Housing cost is merely a function of what the buyer is willing to bear. They could spend the same amount on an off-campus house – the cost would be the same. But is that actually a cost of college?

compiler-guy 3y ago
Universities often require students live on campus. So yes.
- randomdata 3y ago
  So, in that case, that's like a quarter of a million dollar loss (based on the article's figures) just on the housing portion of college alone. How does one ever recover from the financial hit? Especially if we assume that the cost of housing continues to climb like it has (maybe not, but let's go with it for the sake of discussion). The person who didn't go to college and bought a home instead will be likely end up half a million dollars or more richer without lifting a finger. I suppose you're going to college because you don't already have the basic life skills to figure that out.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    >The person who didn't go to college and bought a home instead What fairytale land do you live in that a high school graduate can purchase a home?
    - randomdata 3y ago
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    - trealira 3y ago
      Yes, it's more like "the person who went to a state or community college and lives in their parents' house, commuting to save money." Not spending money on housing already cuts down a lot on the money spent on college.
    - hansvm 3y ago
      Back when I was debating between buying a triplex and ending my gap year, that fairytale land was the northern Twin Cities suburbs. Looking at current stats, a pizza driver could still do that today (working 60+hr/week since you can't get ahead of rent on a reasonable timescale otherwise, saving for 1yr if you go with a low-down FHA loan, 2 if you need 20% down). It's not ideal, and if that high school student has a kid or anything it won't be an option, but a 4/15 schedule still left me with a 3-day weekend, a full night's sleep, and I just cruised around listening to the radio and eating free pizza. It wasn't harder than college by any means.
      - randomdata 3y ago
        And if pizza delivery doesn't pay, one can always become a software developer. Lots of people do that job while still in high school.
        hansvm 3y ago
        Yep, definitely. I called it out as an option because of firsthand experience and because 90+% of HS grads are definitely qualified.
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        randomdata 3y ago
        > 90+% of HS grads are definitely qualified. Oh? While ~90% of the adult population in the US have a driver's license (data is lacking for the high school grad subset, but likely similar), I doubt a significant number of high school grads on the older end of the spectrum are any longer qualified to work 60+ hour weeks. ~25% of the adult population are elderly (again, likely similar for HS grads). In fairness, I expect you are meaning recent grads. The kids today, however, have really backed away from driving. Only 60% of those 18 years of age in the US have a driver's license. Without that, you are definitely not qualified. 90+% among recent HS grads appears impossible. I concede you may have been envisioning them delivering pizza on a bicycle. But "driver" in this context usually refers to operation of licensed motor vehicles.
drekk 3y ago
My university required freshmen to live in dorms. Many colleges do.
at_a_remove 3y ago
Wait until you find out about mandatory meal plans!
- randomdata 3y ago
  I knew it. Rising food costs are the real reason college is no longer affordable. Monsanto strikes again.
  - at_a_remove 3y ago
    Not in particular, no. You seem unacquainted with the college fee structure. Some of them have Big Tuition, but almost all of them do the death of a thousand cuts, where you are subject to an endless parade of fees, so shameless that even the telcos are envious of the boldness of the bursar. It isn't merely mandatory meal plans and two years of students staying in the dorms, you have mental health fees and student union fees and ... well, it just keeps going. Really, as universities transform into "business for the sake of business" organizations, you get administrative bloat, which gets fed through an endless series of tacked-on charges.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      With tone deaf pedantry like that, I'm surprised you didn't also call out that Monsanto is no more. Its assets were bought up by Bayer and BASF quite a few years ago. You are slipping, my friend.
      - at_a_remove 3y ago
        I have friends at Bayer, so I am well aware. I got the joke, I just ... decided to ignore it because you've been doing this odd mixture of wildly-uninformed and vaguely hostile bits like "I suppose you're going to college because you don't already have the basic life skills to figure that out." for most of the conversation rather than engaging with the article or the rest of us.
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compiler-guy 3y ago

Universities often require students live on campus. So yes.

randomdata 3y ago
So, in that case, that's like a quarter of a million dollar loss (based on the article's figures) just on the housing portion of college alone. How does one ever recover from the financial hit? Especially if we assume that the cost of housing continues to climb like it has (maybe not, but let's go with it for the sake of discussion). The person who didn't go to college and bought a home instead will be likely end up half a million dollars or more richer without lifting a finger. I suppose you're going to college because you don't already have the basic life skills to figure that out.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  >The person who didn't go to college and bought a home instead What fairytale land do you live in that a high school graduate can purchase a home?
  - randomdata 3y ago
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  - trealira 3y ago
    Yes, it's more like "the person who went to a state or community college and lives in their parents' house, commuting to save money." Not spending money on housing already cuts down a lot on the money spent on college.
  - hansvm 3y ago
    Back when I was debating between buying a triplex and ending my gap year, that fairytale land was the northern Twin Cities suburbs. Looking at current stats, a pizza driver could still do that today (working 60+hr/week since you can't get ahead of rent on a reasonable timescale otherwise, saving for 1yr if you go with a low-down FHA loan, 2 if you need 20% down). It's not ideal, and if that high school student has a kid or anything it won't be an option, but a 4/15 schedule still left me with a 3-day weekend, a full night's sleep, and I just cruised around listening to the radio and eating free pizza. It wasn't harder than college by any means.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      And if pizza delivery doesn't pay, one can always become a software developer. Lots of people do that job while still in high school.
      - hansvm 3y ago
        Yep, definitely. I called it out as an option because of firsthand experience and because 90+% of HS grads are definitely qualified.
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        randomdata 3y ago
        > 90+% of HS grads are definitely qualified. Oh? While ~90% of the adult population in the US have a driver's license (data is lacking for the high school grad subset, but likely similar), I doubt a significant number of high school grads on the older end of the spectrum are any longer qualified to work 60+ hour weeks. ~25% of the adult population are elderly (again, likely similar for HS grads). In fairness, I expect you are meaning recent grads. The kids today, however, have really backed away from driving. Only 60% of those 18 years of age in the US have a driver's license. Without that, you are definitely not qualified. 90+% among recent HS grads appears impossible. I concede you may have been envisioning them delivering pizza on a bicycle. But "driver" in this context usually refers to operation of licensed motor vehicles.

drekk 3y ago

My university required freshmen to live in dorms. Many colleges do.

at_a_remove 3y ago

Wait until you find out about mandatory meal plans!

randomdata 3y ago
I knew it. Rising food costs are the real reason college is no longer affordable. Monsanto strikes again.
- at_a_remove 3y ago
  Not in particular, no. You seem unacquainted with the college fee structure. Some of them have Big Tuition, but almost all of them do the death of a thousand cuts, where you are subject to an endless parade of fees, so shameless that even the telcos are envious of the boldness of the bursar. It isn't merely mandatory meal plans and two years of students staying in the dorms, you have mental health fees and student union fees and ... well, it just keeps going. Really, as universities transform into "business for the sake of business" organizations, you get administrative bloat, which gets fed through an endless series of tacked-on charges.
  - randomdata 3y ago
    With tone deaf pedantry like that, I'm surprised you didn't also call out that Monsanto is no more. Its assets were bought up by Bayer and BASF quite a few years ago. You are slipping, my friend.
    - at_a_remove 3y ago
      I have friends at Bayer, so I am well aware. I got the joke, I just ... decided to ignore it because you've been doing this odd mixture of wildly-uninformed and vaguely hostile bits like "I suppose you're going to college because you don't already have the basic life skills to figure that out." for most of the conversation rather than engaging with the article or the rest of us.
      - 3y ago