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Since when did Windows or Macs ever have great window managers? If you just ran a web browser directly on the hardware (or native window system in full screen

Since when did Windows or Macs ever have great window managers? If you just ran a web browser directly on the hardware (or native window system in full screen mode) instead of bothering with non-great X11 or Wayland or Windows or Mac window systems, then you could write great window managers using open standards that ran identically across Linux, Mac, and Windows, plus mobile and VR devices too. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38710127 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38710127

pjmlp 3y ago
Better than what most GNU/Linux folks use, many of whom apparently would be quite happy using twm.
- rhabarba 3y ago
  Ah, twm is still better than Gnome.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    For the folks which the only use of X Windows is to manage xterm sessions. I was one of those people, in 1994.
- marrs 3y ago
  I doubt that. Most of the WMs available for Linux are way more capable than their standard counterparts. There's a rich diversity of UXs available on the platform. Hopefully their ideas won't die with them if they get left behind by Wayland.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    That fragmentation is one of the reasons why in the end you get an Electron app. Most people don't want to spend hours tweaking Enlightenment themes, or keyboard shortcuts for tiled windows.
    - marrs 3y ago
      > That fragmentation is one of the reasons why in the end you get an Electron app. How so? I run Electron apps all the time. They behave like any other app. > Most people don't want to spend hours tweaking Enlightenment themes, or keyboard shortcuts for tiled windows. Most people don't want to run Linux. And I don't want to waste my free time experimenting with a critical desktop component. BTW, remember those people who actually make Linux work for the rest of us? Many of them do want to do those things. It's how they got to be Linux contributors in the first place.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Indeed, because packing a browser with the application makes up for the missing pieces across all bazillion of desktop configurations, for everyone that isn't running either GNOME or KDE. Oh do I remember, Red-Hat, Mandrake, IBM, Intel, Oracle, Google, Linaro,.... Slackware 2.0 was my first distribution.
        marrs 3y ago
        Maybe your knowledge is out of date? Afaict, most (if not all) of the differences between desktop environments have been fixed by XDG. I don't run Gnome or KDE and everything on my desktop works just fine.

pjmlp 3y ago

Better than what most GNU/Linux folks use, many of whom apparently would be quite happy using twm.

rhabarba 3y ago
Ah, twm is still better than Gnome.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  For the folks which the only use of X Windows is to manage xterm sessions. I was one of those people, in 1994.
marrs 3y ago
I doubt that. Most of the WMs available for Linux are way more capable than their standard counterparts. There's a rich diversity of UXs available on the platform. Hopefully their ideas won't die with them if they get left behind by Wayland.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  That fragmentation is one of the reasons why in the end you get an Electron app. Most people don't want to spend hours tweaking Enlightenment themes, or keyboard shortcuts for tiled windows.
  - marrs 3y ago
    > That fragmentation is one of the reasons why in the end you get an Electron app. How so? I run Electron apps all the time. They behave like any other app. > Most people don't want to spend hours tweaking Enlightenment themes, or keyboard shortcuts for tiled windows. Most people don't want to run Linux. And I don't want to waste my free time experimenting with a critical desktop component. BTW, remember those people who actually make Linux work for the rest of us? Many of them do want to do those things. It's how they got to be Linux contributors in the first place.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Indeed, because packing a browser with the application makes up for the missing pieces across all bazillion of desktop configurations, for everyone that isn't running either GNOME or KDE. Oh do I remember, Red-Hat, Mandrake, IBM, Intel, Oracle, Google, Linaro,.... Slackware 2.0 was my first distribution.
      - marrs 3y ago
        Maybe your knowledge is out of date? Afaict, most (if not all) of the differences between desktop environments have been fixed by XDG. I don't run Gnome or KDE and everything on my desktop works just fine.