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Logical move. North American Charging Standard does not exist in Europe making car re-import much more difficult.
by lnsru 3y ago
Logical move. North American Charging Standard does not exist in Europe making car re-import much more difficult.
- m3kw9 3y agoIf it’s electrical it wouldn’t be too hard to conver from one standard to another using an adapter, since it’s standard on both sides there will be a money incentive to make one
- HPsquared 3y agoHow about voltage / current / communication? Seems quite a complicated problem, it's not just a case of different USB plug styles..
- _ea1k 3y agoIt actually is very similar to USB plug styles. NACS communicates the same way that CCS does. Converting between NACS and CCS1 or CCS2 connectors should be easy. The biggest issue is the amount of current involved.
- 0xfae 3y agoActually USB is a great example. USB C can charge at 5v, 10v, 20v, etc. When you plug in a device to the charger a hand shake happens between the charger and device and they choose the voltage and amperage that makes sense. A macbook pro can take 100W over USBC but obviously your headphones or phone aren't going to.
- bluGill 3y agoTesla is using the same communication standard, they just combine AC and DC on the same pins which means an adapter can be pretty cheap.
- kwhitefoot 3y agoThe voltage and current are determined by negotiation between the car and charger. There were plenty of US Teslas imported into Norway in the early days. They have no trouble charging here. If necessary a simple conversion can be done. Making my 2015 S70D that had a Type 2 connector work with CCS2 was a 300 USD conversion. I can't see any reason why converting from NACS to CCS2 would be any more difficult or expensive.
- azinman2 3y agoRemember teslas come with a CCS adapter that can go the other way.
- SEJeff 3y agoSo there is actually a technical reason here. NACS isn't a thing in Europe because 3 Phase power is much more common in Europe. NACS does not support 3 Phase power, and as a result, is not that common in Europe.
- bluGill 3y ago3 phase is very common in the US. Most single family houses don't have it, everything else is likely to have it. For chargers 3 phase gains nothing. For induction motors 3 phase is useful - but in the modern world even where you have 3 phase you often will run the power through a VFC just so you get control of RPM. For a few other things 3 phase is nice because there is always one phase that isn't near zero to draw power from, but where that matters you can work around it with a few capacitors.
- jankeymeulen 3y ago3 phase typically has 400V between the phases and neutral in Europe, the phases don't gain you anything, but the voltage does.
- phs2501 3y agoPretty sure residential 3-phase in Europe is 400V phase-to-phase, it's 220V phase-to-neutral.
- qayxc 3y agomake that 230V (min.) or rather 240V (nominal).
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago230V nominal in EU
- qayxc 3y ago
- stetrain 3y agoThere were already two connector standards for NA and EU, CCS Combo 1 vs CCS Combo 2. NACS / J3400 is a different connector but still uses CCS communication protocols. So there isn't a huge market differentiation border in swapping CCS Combo 1 to NACS. There is an additional requirement with NACS that the vehicle needs to route both AC and DC charging over the same connector pins.
- ggreer 3y agoAdapters cost a few hundred dollars. That's not much compared to the cost of shipping a car across an ocean.