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Well I would consider a 0.55ppm contamination rate very low indeed? Mistakes happen in the creation of such datasets, it's human nature? Just as we can't polic

by 127361 3y ago

Well I would consider a 0.55ppm contamination rate very low indeed? Mistakes happen in the creation of such datasets, it's human nature? Just as we can't police a society to the extent it's completely free of crime, otherwise we will not function as a society and/or we will find ourselves living in a totalitarian state?

jprete 3y ago
Including CSAM in your image set isn't excusable by "mistakes happen". Also, the totalitarian analogy is total nonsense.
- whelp_24 3y ago
  I think this kinda shows that you don't really understand the problem. If you had a human sitdown and review each image, there still would be images that get through. Even if you told him to err heavily on the false positive side.
- _jal 3y ago
  Just to be clear, you are saying that no collection of images can ever contain any CSAM, ever [1]. If some activity might run the risk of including it, that activity must be stopped. Is that correct? If so, why are you not calling for the internet to be shut down? The collection under discussion is just a subset of the internet. You'll also want to either ban or enforce review of all camera output, including closed-circuit cameras. Someone is going to have to watch all those watchers pretty closely... As for totalitarianism, well, how are you going to make any of this happen? As we just saw you'll need client-side visibility into everyone's visual data stores. Not to mention old photo albums world-wide contain images that would set off ImageNet. There are famous paintings and statues that would, too. [1] Do you exempt NCMEC? If so, how do you justify that?
- failbuffer 3y ago
  You abstain from coffee, chocolate, and fish too I trust? Otherwise you're undoubtedly supporting trace amounts of slavery and child labor. I bet the device you're reading this with was also made with such (and if it doesn't then it's still supporting a genocidal regime). Get real. Scraped data is going to have problems. The expectation should be that reasonable measures are taken to filter proactively and that reactive measures are taken to remove illicit content found after that.
ToucanLoucan 3y ago
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- artninja1988 3y ago
  Laion 5b isn't a model, it's a dataset. Model devs can do their own cleaning before training a model on it. In fact Laion state that this is explicitly encouraged.

by 127361 3y ago

jprete 3y ago

Including CSAM in your image set isn't excusable by "mistakes happen". Also, the totalitarian analogy is total nonsense.

whelp_24 3y ago
I think this kinda shows that you don't really understand the problem. If you had a human sitdown and review each image, there still would be images that get through. Even if you told him to err heavily on the false positive side.
_jal 3y ago
Just to be clear, you are saying that no collection of images can ever contain any CSAM, ever [1]. If some activity might run the risk of including it, that activity must be stopped. Is that correct? If so, why are you not calling for the internet to be shut down? The collection under discussion is just a subset of the internet. You'll also want to either ban or enforce review of all camera output, including closed-circuit cameras. Someone is going to have to watch all those watchers pretty closely... As for totalitarianism, well, how are you going to make any of this happen? As we just saw you'll need client-side visibility into everyone's visual data stores. Not to mention old photo albums world-wide contain images that would set off ImageNet. There are famous paintings and statues that would, too. [1] Do you exempt NCMEC? If so, how do you justify that?
failbuffer 3y ago
You abstain from coffee, chocolate, and fish too I trust? Otherwise you're undoubtedly supporting trace amounts of slavery and child labor. I bet the device you're reading this with was also made with such (and if it doesn't then it's still supporting a genocidal regime). Get real. Scraped data is going to have problems. The expectation should be that reasonable measures are taken to filter proactively and that reactive measures are taken to remove illicit content found after that.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago

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artninja1988 3y ago
Laion 5b isn't a model, it's a dataset. Model devs can do their own cleaning before training a model on it. In fact Laion state that this is explicitly encouraged.