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These "illegal content" moral panics have ruined Internet freedom, they are now ruining AI as well. Such moral panics have been used as an excuse for absolutely

by 127361 3y ago

These "illegal content" moral panics have ruined Internet freedom, they are now ruining AI as well. Such moral panics have been used as an excuse for absolutely heinous mass surveillance of the entire population.

sp332 3y ago
The surveillance is for possible future crimes and is more debatable. We're talking about crimes we know have already happened. What would the argument even be for not addressing those.
jeromegv 3y ago
Ruining AI? You don’t think what’s ruining AI is ingesting despicable content in it and then use this data set to train thousand of other tools with this despicable content? In what world don’t you think it’s not a problem?
- 127361 3y ago
  It is a problem, just as crime in general in society. But our efforts to stamp it out completely could cause more harm than good. The price of liberty, is unfortunately crime. Otherwise if we go too far in preventing crime, we will be living in a totalitarian state.
  - doubloon 3y ago
    if crime is done to me personally, it takes away my liberty. individuals have rights, which is the foundational concept of the Enlightenment and all modern society. there is no panic here. every reasonable person agrees this is a problem, and it will take very little effort to fix it. these AI companies are not hurting for money. every single one of them is valued in the billions of dollars. they can spare "0.5 ppm" of their funding to go do what almost everyone agrees needs to be done.
    - harimau777 3y ago
      I don't think that there actually is a low effort fix. Any sort of hashing or filtering strategy is inevitably going to miss some things. It's likely not possible to have humans manually review every image and even if you could, then you'd have the problem of traumatizing the people doing the review. I'm not saying that more shouldn't be done, but that doesn't mean that the solution is easy or that a perfect solution even exists.

by 127361 3y ago

sp332 3y ago

The surveillance is for possible future crimes and is more debatable. We're talking about crimes we know have already happened. What would the argument even be for not addressing those.

jeromegv 3y ago

Ruining AI? You don’t think what’s ruining AI is ingesting despicable content in it and then use this data set to train thousand of other tools with this despicable content? In what world don’t you think it’s not a problem?

127361 3y ago
It is a problem, just as crime in general in society. But our efforts to stamp it out completely could cause more harm than good. The price of liberty, is unfortunately crime. Otherwise if we go too far in preventing crime, we will be living in a totalitarian state.
- doubloon 3y ago
  if crime is done to me personally, it takes away my liberty. individuals have rights, which is the foundational concept of the Enlightenment and all modern society. there is no panic here. every reasonable person agrees this is a problem, and it will take very little effort to fix it. these AI companies are not hurting for money. every single one of them is valued in the billions of dollars. they can spare "0.5 ppm" of their funding to go do what almost everyone agrees needs to be done.
  - harimau777 3y ago
    I don't think that there actually is a low effort fix. Any sort of hashing or filtering strategy is inevitably going to miss some things. It's likely not possible to have humans manually review every image and even if you could, then you'd have the problem of traumatizing the people doing the review. I'm not saying that more shouldn't be done, but that doesn't mean that the solution is easy or that a perfect solution even exists.