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Without industrialization, you never end slavery anywhere.

• Eisenstein 3y ago
  Why did you conflate 'profit maximizing business' with 'industrialization'?
  • woooooo 3y ago
    Because I'm generally aware of western economic and political history from 1600-1800. I'm not conflating them, they were in fact conflated. Soviet russian and chinese industrialization was different, but later and not relevant to the Atlantic slave trade that parent poster was talking about.
    • Eisenstein 3y ago
      > Soviet russian and chinese industrialization was different Of course. "Industrialization requires profit, except when it doesn't". Got it. > but later and not relevant to the Atlantic slave trade that parent poster was talking about. I didn't realize they used steam ships to transport slaves from Africa to Americas, where they made them work in factories to produce industrial goods.
      • woooooo 3y ago
        I think you may be fighting some ideological proxy war that I definitely don't care about. If you don't industrialize, slavery never ends. It was everywhere in human societies until industrialization.
        • Eisenstein 3y ago
          There is no ideological war, it is just an unfounded statement that has no direct line of reasoning. What does slavery have to do with industrialization? There weren't slaves in many pre-industrial societies. And the fact that you switched 'industrialization' for 'profit maximizing businesses' as if no one would notice (then acknowledging that communists did figure out how to do it) makes me wonder if you even thought about for more than a few seconds.
          • woooooo 3y ago
            I was under the impression that most pre-industrial societies had slavery. Or at least most societies that were successful. The Bible has passages on how to be a moral slave owner. As far as conflating industrialization with capitalism, I'm sorry, I'm actually very far left politically but this is just a fact. It's underappreciated in the west that 5 year plans worked well, but they were following a template 200 years, 2 full centuries, later. 100 years after successful British capitalists banned slavery.
            • Eisenstein 3y ago
              You can be under any impression you want but that doesn't make you not completely wrong. The Bible is not a history book, and if it was, it wouldn't be the only one. And calling 'industrialization' 'capitalism' and 'profit maximizing business' all the same thing and then shrugging it off after getting called out, you are just showing that you ignorant of what any of it means. And your last two sentences are non-sensical -- I literally cannot figure out what 5 year plans have to do with slavery in the west.
              • woooooo 3y ago
                I'm not calling those things the same at all. I actually draw distinctions between them. But there's a historical record of how they happened together after not happening separately for thousands of years. There's a principle of charity when reading that you may want to consider.
                • Eisenstein 3y ago
                  Sorry but you don't get charity when you are asserting a point which is completely unfounded. Please find something which will back up your point besides 'they all happened at once' because that isn't even true. There is no correlation with 'capitalism' 'industry' and 'profit' with 'demise of slavery'. I beg you to look up what was happening in the Congo by Belgium when the automobile was being popularized. There happens to be a correlation with a bunch of nice things because we happen to live in the modern era, but you can't attribute everything to capitalism because, as we noted it was not the only system in place which did these things. I would like you to find some scholarly research which can bolster your theory.
• HumanOstrich 3y ago
  You think industrialization ended slavery? I have news for you...