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I have an ioniq 5 as well and recently drove a 2023 model 3. It had some nice features but overall reaffirmed my decision not to buy a Tesla when I bought the I

I have an ioniq 5 as well and recently drove a 2023 model 3. It had some nice features but overall reaffirmed my decision not to buy a Tesla when I bought the Ioniq 5. The braking algorithm for the adaptive cruise control on the M3 was not nearly as good as my Ioniq 5. False alarms for collisions, times to "TAKE CONTROL NOW" were massively increased over my I5. I have essentially no false alarms on the I5. Thr driver attention monitor seems based on steering wheel deflection vs torque. Extremely often it decided my hands were not resisting it enough on the steering and commanded me to move the wheel slightly. Except the force required to do so enough to satisfy it was very near the force needed for it to automatically disengage. It was also enough force for the car to noticably swerve in the lane and the passengers to notice. My I5 just needs a slight jiggle on the wheel. It still false alarms, thinking my hands were not on the wheel when they were, but massively reduced from the Model 3. Then there was the time that I unbuckled my seatbelt to take off my jacket. The Model 3 had an absolute meltdown. Screaming alarms, autosteer disengaged immediately. It was a WTF moment compared to my I5. Any time the lane would widen to accommodate an upcoming exit, the model 3 would move to the right to stay centered in what it thought were it's lane markings. Very dangerous. My I5 doesn't do this, it will stay going straight and alert you if it loses confidence in its ability to identify the lane. The only thing the autosteer did better than my I5 was navigating curves. I think this is because the system in the I5 is limited to the turn rate it can command, and anything more than a gradual curve exceeds that. It will disengage and run you into the guardrail or ditch, if you are not payjng attention. Many times I got a "corrective action applied for your safety" in the model 3 and never could figure out what was actually done or what the danger it was avoiding was. Many times it mistook parking lot line markings as obstacles.

chaosprint 3y ago
I don't like the autopilot at Tesla at all. I forget to mention this: it tries to "punish" me by disabling the function if I don't put my hands there. But the fact is that I put my hand there all the time and Tesla is just too stupid to detect it... Model 3 MY 2024 even cancelled the stalk, which is a terrible idea for roundabout .
- sathackr 3y ago
  After seeing everything that was touch on the one I drove I was thankful at least the turn signals and wipers were physical. Can't imagine trying to drive safely without those. The layout of the touch UI was better on the Tesla. I question the I5 design teams sanity for making HUD controls and seat warmers take 5-6 touches to access.
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    >I question the I5 design teams sanity for making HUD controls and seat warmers take 5-6 touches to access. I guess the right thing to do is live like a king in a gas burning beater until people stop posting about insane problems like this!
    - sathackr 3y ago
      Yep. This is a touch UI problem in general not specific to an EV. For specifically the HUD, I'm often on dark rural roads at night where deer are extremely common. The HUD is bright enough to affect my night vision in these roads so I turn it off when driving on them. The GMC Acadia(gas burner) I rented had HUD controls as physical buttons on the dash to the left of the steering wheel. I push 1 button and the HUD is off. The Ioniq 5? I don't have an exact count but it's 3-4 menu levels deep, probably takes 5-6 touches to get to it.
chaosprint 3y ago
haha yes, ioniq 5 seat heating is so poorly designed. It will start when I get in the car but I always feel too hot and have to manually touch the screen several times during driving to turn them off. I also feel that ioniq 5 makes too many warning sounds during driving. most of these warnings are actually unnecessary.
johnisgood 3y ago
Based on these reviews, Tesla seems to want to avoid "OK, now I am not sure what to do, you have to control your steer" so much, to the point where it becomes extremely unsafe to drive it.
- sshine 3y ago
  When dealing with a person who consistently won’t admit when they are wrong, it is better to assume they are generally wrong and act accordingly. I didn’t try FSD, only Autosteer. There is a glitch on the road to work where Autosteer will jerk the wheel for a split second. It’s extremely alarming and it always occurs in the same spot, so it feels like bad road data. I’ve learned to hold the wheel with a certain tension by default, leaning the car to the one side of the road. That negates this jerk.
brightball 3y ago
I barely tap my wrist when it says "Apply slight turning force". When it gives you the 2 handed graphic to take control that's more of an alarm it's because the in vehicle camera can see you're not looking at the road for an extended period of time. It did that to me one time when I was sending a text while stopped in a traffic jam. The 2nd warning is really annoying and unclear about the level of force needed. Also test drove an Ioniq 5 and we liked it a lot too. Definitely the top competitor from what we saw. Every other vehicle that approaches the features of the Tesla that we saw costs a crazy amount of money.
- sathackr 3y ago
  Maybe it was something with the one I rented. The "slight turning force" was about 2 hairs away from "so much turning force that it disengages", and enough for a noticeable swerve in the vehicle path. This one had a full FSD computer, and the depicted situational awareness on the screen was pretty neat with it classifying vehicles, pedestrians, construction cones, etc... but FSD was not enabled on the one I rented and was not able to be enabled since it was a rental.
  - brightball 3y ago
    I will say, the ownership experience is very different from the test drive experience. When we test drove a model X a couple of years back we didn’t like it. Even after I test drove my current model 3 I was mostly doing it because it was essentially a free car. I was spending $500 / month in gas so the Tesla virtually paid for itself. Owning it and getting used to all the features, configuration, using the app, the service experience, etc…it really changes things. I tell people all the time that I did not expect to enjoy this car as much as I do. I’ve tried the FSD for 2 months and it’s really impressive. Not perfect though and I think the beta flag is warranted because of that. I love it on the highway in traffic. Anytime there are road cones it can be a little finicky though. There are a lot of edge cases to deal with for FSD and that’s a big programming challenge.
    - sathackr 3y ago
maxdo 3y ago
Try to use FSD , unlike a year ago , it’s really good . I’m in New York and I’m using it in the city , not to mention highway

chaosprint 3y ago

I don't like the autopilot at Tesla at all. I forget to mention this: it tries to "punish" me by disabling the function if I don't put my hands there. But the fact is that I put my hand there all the time and Tesla is just too stupid to detect it... Model 3 MY 2024 even cancelled the stalk, which is a terrible idea for roundabout .

sathackr 3y ago
After seeing everything that was touch on the one I drove I was thankful at least the turn signals and wipers were physical. Can't imagine trying to drive safely without those. The layout of the touch UI was better on the Tesla. I question the I5 design teams sanity for making HUD controls and seat warmers take 5-6 touches to access.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  >I question the I5 design teams sanity for making HUD controls and seat warmers take 5-6 touches to access. I guess the right thing to do is live like a king in a gas burning beater until people stop posting about insane problems like this!
  - sathackr 3y ago
    Yep. This is a touch UI problem in general not specific to an EV. For specifically the HUD, I'm often on dark rural roads at night where deer are extremely common. The HUD is bright enough to affect my night vision in these roads so I turn it off when driving on them. The GMC Acadia(gas burner) I rented had HUD controls as physical buttons on the dash to the left of the steering wheel. I push 1 button and the HUD is off. The Ioniq 5? I don't have an exact count but it's 3-4 menu levels deep, probably takes 5-6 touches to get to it.

chaosprint 3y ago

haha yes, ioniq 5 seat heating is so poorly designed. It will start when I get in the car but I always feel too hot and have to manually touch the screen several times during driving to turn them off. I also feel that ioniq 5 makes too many warning sounds during driving. most of these warnings are actually unnecessary.

johnisgood 3y ago

Based on these reviews, Tesla seems to want to avoid "OK, now I am not sure what to do, you have to control your steer" so much, to the point where it becomes extremely unsafe to drive it.

sshine 3y ago
When dealing with a person who consistently won’t admit when they are wrong, it is better to assume they are generally wrong and act accordingly. I didn’t try FSD, only Autosteer. There is a glitch on the road to work where Autosteer will jerk the wheel for a split second. It’s extremely alarming and it always occurs in the same spot, so it feels like bad road data. I’ve learned to hold the wheel with a certain tension by default, leaning the car to the one side of the road. That negates this jerk.

brightball 3y ago

I barely tap my wrist when it says "Apply slight turning force". When it gives you the 2 handed graphic to take control that's more of an alarm it's because the in vehicle camera can see you're not looking at the road for an extended period of time. It did that to me one time when I was sending a text while stopped in a traffic jam. The 2nd warning is really annoying and unclear about the level of force needed. Also test drove an Ioniq 5 and we liked it a lot too. Definitely the top competitor from what we saw. Every other vehicle that approaches the features of the Tesla that we saw costs a crazy amount of money.

sathackr 3y ago
Maybe it was something with the one I rented. The "slight turning force" was about 2 hairs away from "so much turning force that it disengages", and enough for a noticeable swerve in the vehicle path. This one had a full FSD computer, and the depicted situational awareness on the screen was pretty neat with it classifying vehicles, pedestrians, construction cones, etc... but FSD was not enabled on the one I rented and was not able to be enabled since it was a rental.
- brightball 3y ago
  I will say, the ownership experience is very different from the test drive experience. When we test drove a model X a couple of years back we didn’t like it. Even after I test drove my current model 3 I was mostly doing it because it was essentially a free car. I was spending $500 / month in gas so the Tesla virtually paid for itself. Owning it and getting used to all the features, configuration, using the app, the service experience, etc…it really changes things. I tell people all the time that I did not expect to enjoy this car as much as I do. I’ve tried the FSD for 2 months and it’s really impressive. Not perfect though and I think the beta flag is warranted because of that. I love it on the highway in traffic. Anytime there are road cones it can be a little finicky though. There are a lot of edge cases to deal with for FSD and that’s a big programming challenge.
  - sathackr 3y ago

maxdo 3y ago

Try to use FSD , unlike a year ago , it’s really good . I’m in New York and I’m using it in the city , not to mention highway