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I just read a news item that Musk uninstalled the Disney+ app from the entire Tesla fleet as retaliation for Disney pulling advertising from X. I bet Tesla owne

by paxys 3y ago

I just read a news item that Musk uninstalled the Disney+ app from the entire Tesla fleet as retaliation for Disney pulling advertising from X. I bet Tesla owners/shareholders are thrilled that they are being used as collateral in a fight that has nothing to do with them.

flutas 3y ago
> I just read a news item that Musk uninstalled the Disney+ app from the entire Tesla fleet as retaliation for Disney pulling advertising from X. Mine still has it, as well as a number of people. Everything I've seen is saying it was a bug[0] as it's happening to some cars and not others, and if it has disappeared, going to disneyplus.com in the browser makes it show back up.[1] [0]: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736641032677372163 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736641032677372163 [1]: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736652882622161332 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736652882622161332 --- EDIT: To the down-voters, you know there's a reply button to point out why you think I'm wrong, right?
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Is this bug affecting any any other apps?
  - flutas 3y ago
    At this time? Only their in-house FSD Beta software. https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609 https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609 In the past? Also yes. Tidal: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeared.269725/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeare... TuneIn: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ All of the entertainment apps: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-screen.234874/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-...
- paxys 3y ago
  https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1736785128175669647 https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/17367851281756696...
  - flutas 3y ago
    > "A source told" Yeah, until either company makes an official statement I'm going with Hanlon's razor. After all, wouldn't this be an easy win for Disney? "Look, Elon is so vindictive he's hurting his customers to spite us."
    - paxys 3y ago
      So basically because Musk's companies don't have a PR department, don't put out any official statements and respond to journalists' questions with a poop emoji, they should always get the benefit of doubt despite years of history of showing the opposite.
      - flutas 3y ago
        > So basically because Musk's companies don't have a PR department, don't put out any official statements and respond to journalists' questions with a poop emoji, they should always get the benefit of doubt despite years of history of showing the opposite. As I said in my previous reply, couldn't Disney make a statement too? According to your link "Disney was informed of this."
        paxys 3y ago
        Disney has a competent PR team and rightly isn't getting dragged down into the mud by Musk to fight at his level. They don't need to put out any statements. The people affected are primarily Tesla's customers, and this is Tesla's mess to sort out. What % of Disney+ viewers are even using a Tesla? I'm sure their customer support can easily handle the dozen tickets that come through because of this.
        3y ago
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  The downvotes are coming as there is no need to give Elon the benefit of the doubt in December of 2023. We've all seen how he behaves against those who he doesn't agree with and it is much easier to see a clear path of the removal of the disney app as retaliation vs a weird bug that just removes 1 streaming app. The links you provided are a Paid twitter account who seems to run a bunch of pro Musk material.
  - flutas 3y ago
    > The downvotes are coming as there is no need to give Elon the benefit of the doubt in December of 2023. We've all seen how he behaves against those who doesnt agree with and it is much easier to see a clear path of the removal of the disney app as retaliation vs a weird bug that just removes 1 streaming app. As I said to someone else, why hasn't Disney capitalized on this then? If it's truly vindictive, wouldn't it be an easy win for Disney to shit on him even more? "Look, Elon is so vindictive he's hurting his own customers to spite us." Just applying a bit of Hanlon's razor to life might do everyone some good.
    - nickthegreek 3y ago
      Why isn't Disney ($175B market cap) immediately and recklessly responding to something that happened hours ago? Because they aren't Elon Musk. Disney's immediate non-reaction has nothing to do with Tesla's action. Why are you linking them?
      - flutas 3y ago
        > Why isn't Disney ($175B market cap) immediately and recklessly responding to something that happened hours ago? Because they aren't Elon Musk. "Hours ago" and also supposedly informed last week? [0] > Disney's immediate non-reaction has nothing to do with Tesla's action. Why are you linking them? Chain OP linked them, not me. He claimed > I just read a news item that Musk uninstalled the Disney+ app from the entire Tesla fleet as retaliation for Disney pulling advertising from X. I supplied evidence that it may be a bug, and on top of that evidence that it's clearly not "the entire tesla fleet" like he claimed. You then claim "Disney's immediate non-reaction has nothing to do with Tesla's action"? At the very least, why hasn't Disney removed the help article saying how to access Disney+ on Tesla vehicles[1] if they've "been informed of this decision" as multiple articles have stated? --- Also, why does Disney's market cap matter? "($175B market cap)" Tesla has a market cap of $800+ billion. [0]: https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1736785128175669647 https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/17367851281756696... [1]: https://help.disneyplus.com/article/disneyplus-en-us-tesla https://help.disneyplus.com/article/disneyplus-en-us-tesla
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  This makes it less likely it’s a bug to me. As a dev this reads as them purposely hiding the Disney+ app instead of uninstalling it, but forgot about the URL scheme. What’s happening in the video is, the now well known behavior, of a website opening its app when it detects its visited by a supported platform. Most OSs will automatically unhide an app icon when a hidden app is opened to give the user a reference point of the app they’re using.
  - flutas 3y ago
    > This makes it less likely it’s a bug to me. It has happened in the past with other entertainment apps as well. [0],[1],[2] That's the main reason I think this is a bug. In this case, this build is also hiding FSD Beta from those eligible for some reason until the car is rebooted.[3] > Most OSs will automatically unhide an app icon Tesla isn't using an off the shelf UI though, so why would that apply? IIRC they use Ubuntu as the underlying OS, but I doubt that would have any affect on this. [0] Tidal: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeared.269725/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeare... [1] TuneIn: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ [2] All media apps: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-screen.234874/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-... [3] FSD Beta: https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609 https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609
ilikehurdles 3y ago
Companies like Disney pay to make their apps preinstalled on these devices. Tesla removing it may have something to do with Disney pulling ad money from Musk’s companies. Of course, if we had journalists who’d investigate and interview before reporting on tweets, we might know the truth. Instead we get headlines like: Tesla hides Disney+ app “amid”/“after” Elon Musk’s feud.
- paxys 3y ago
  You mean like this investigation which concludes exactly that – https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1736785128175669647 https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/17367851281756696...?
  - flutas 3y ago
    > "A source told" Says enough. Official statement or bust.
    - AlexandrB 3y ago
      Doesn't Tesla, like all Musk companies, famously lack a PR department? Are we supposed to wait for Musk to Tweet something?
      - flutas 3y ago
        By that statement above, Disney supposedly "knows" that Tesla removed it. Couldn't they issue a statement, or at the very least delete their help article about how to access Disney+ in a Tesla since "they know" it's no longer accurate? All they would have to do is issue a statement something like > On Dec XXth we were made aware that Tesla decided to remove the Disney+ application from their vehicles, while we find this unfortunate there is nothing more we can do. Or someone could just email Disney's PR department, right?
        jjulius 3y ago
        If you were Disney, would you want to continue to drag this out publicly, or would you prefer to hash this out behind the scenes and then announce a resolution?
ryandrake 3y ago
I won't buy a Tesla due to this "tethering to the mothership" behavior. Who knows what else they'll just decide to turn off (or on) unbeknownst to me, for reasons I have no control over? When I get in my (untethered) car tomorrow, I know that it will behave exactly as it behaved yesterday, besides any actual systems failures that require maintenance.
- mey 3y ago
  Tesla has multiple times made it clear that they don't believe you own the car. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/tesla-again-threatens-to-sue-cybertruck-buyers-who-try-to-resell-the-cars/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/tesla-again-thre... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-blacklist.248489/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-blacklist.2484... https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617 https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-featur... Considering they have the ability to remotely disable the car, they can make good on their threats, even with dubious legal standing.
brightball 3y ago
If that's true then it hasn't happened in mine yet.

by paxys 3y ago

flutas 3y ago

> I just read a news item that Musk uninstalled the Disney+ app from the entire Tesla fleet as retaliation for Disney pulling advertising from X. Mine still has it, as well as a number of people. Everything I've seen is saying it was a bug[0] as it's happening to some cars and not others, and if it has disappeared, going to disneyplus.com in the browser makes it show back up.[1] [0]: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736641032677372163 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736641032677372163 [1]: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736652882622161332 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1736652882622161332 --- EDIT: To the down-voters, you know there's a reply button to point out why you think I'm wrong, right?

ceejayoz 3y ago
Is this bug affecting any any other apps?
- flutas 3y ago
  At this time? Only their in-house FSD Beta software. https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609 https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609 In the past? Also yes. Tidal: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeared.269725/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeare... TuneIn: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ All of the entertainment apps: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-screen.234874/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-...
paxys 3y ago
https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1736785128175669647 https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/17367851281756696...
- flutas 3y ago
  > "A source told" Yeah, until either company makes an official statement I'm going with Hanlon's razor. After all, wouldn't this be an easy win for Disney? "Look, Elon is so vindictive he's hurting his customers to spite us."
  - paxys 3y ago
    So basically because Musk's companies don't have a PR department, don't put out any official statements and respond to journalists' questions with a poop emoji, they should always get the benefit of doubt despite years of history of showing the opposite.
    - flutas 3y ago
      > So basically because Musk's companies don't have a PR department, don't put out any official statements and respond to journalists' questions with a poop emoji, they should always get the benefit of doubt despite years of history of showing the opposite. As I said in my previous reply, couldn't Disney make a statement too? According to your link "Disney was informed of this."
      - paxys 3y ago
        Disney has a competent PR team and rightly isn't getting dragged down into the mud by Musk to fight at his level. They don't need to put out any statements. The people affected are primarily Tesla's customers, and this is Tesla's mess to sort out. What % of Disney+ viewers are even using a Tesla? I'm sure their customer support can easily handle the dozen tickets that come through because of this.
        3y ago
nickthegreek 3y ago
The downvotes are coming as there is no need to give Elon the benefit of the doubt in December of 2023. We've all seen how he behaves against those who he doesn't agree with and it is much easier to see a clear path of the removal of the disney app as retaliation vs a weird bug that just removes 1 streaming app. The links you provided are a Paid twitter account who seems to run a bunch of pro Musk material.
- flutas 3y ago
  > The downvotes are coming as there is no need to give Elon the benefit of the doubt in December of 2023. We've all seen how he behaves against those who doesnt agree with and it is much easier to see a clear path of the removal of the disney app as retaliation vs a weird bug that just removes 1 streaming app. As I said to someone else, why hasn't Disney capitalized on this then? If it's truly vindictive, wouldn't it be an easy win for Disney to shit on him even more? "Look, Elon is so vindictive he's hurting his own customers to spite us." Just applying a bit of Hanlon's razor to life might do everyone some good.
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    Why isn't Disney ($175B market cap) immediately and recklessly responding to something that happened hours ago? Because they aren't Elon Musk. Disney's immediate non-reaction has nothing to do with Tesla's action. Why are you linking them?
    - flutas 3y ago
      > Why isn't Disney ($175B market cap) immediately and recklessly responding to something that happened hours ago? Because they aren't Elon Musk. "Hours ago" and also supposedly informed last week? [0] > Disney's immediate non-reaction has nothing to do with Tesla's action. Why are you linking them? Chain OP linked them, not me. He claimed > I just read a news item that Musk uninstalled the Disney+ app from the entire Tesla fleet as retaliation for Disney pulling advertising from X. I supplied evidence that it may be a bug, and on top of that evidence that it's clearly not "the entire tesla fleet" like he claimed. You then claim "Disney's immediate non-reaction has nothing to do with Tesla's action"? At the very least, why hasn't Disney removed the help article saying how to access Disney+ on Tesla vehicles[1] if they've "been informed of this decision" as multiple articles have stated? --- Also, why does Disney's market cap matter? "($175B market cap)" Tesla has a market cap of $800+ billion. [0]: https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1736785128175669647 https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/17367851281756696... [1]: https://help.disneyplus.com/article/disneyplus-en-us-tesla https://help.disneyplus.com/article/disneyplus-en-us-tesla
turquoisevar 3y ago
This makes it less likely it’s a bug to me. As a dev this reads as them purposely hiding the Disney+ app instead of uninstalling it, but forgot about the URL scheme. What’s happening in the video is, the now well known behavior, of a website opening its app when it detects its visited by a supported platform. Most OSs will automatically unhide an app icon when a hidden app is opened to give the user a reference point of the app they’re using.
- flutas 3y ago
  > This makes it less likely it’s a bug to me. It has happened in the past with other entertainment apps as well. [0],[1],[2] That's the main reason I think this is a bug. In this case, this build is also hiding FSD Beta from those eligible for some reason until the car is rebooted.[3] > Most OSs will automatically unhide an app icon Tesla isn't using an off the shelf UI though, so why would that apply? IIRC they use Ubuntu as the underlying OS, but I doubt that would have any affect on this. [0] Tidal: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeared.269725/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tidal-app-disappeare... [1] TuneIn: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tunein-gone.262861/ [2] All media apps: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-screen.234874/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-theater-blank-... [3] FSD Beta: https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609 https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1737413197781696609

ilikehurdles 3y ago

Companies like Disney pay to make their apps preinstalled on these devices. Tesla removing it may have something to do with Disney pulling ad money from Musk’s companies. Of course, if we had journalists who’d investigate and interview before reporting on tweets, we might know the truth. Instead we get headlines like: Tesla hides Disney+ app “amid”/“after” Elon Musk’s feud.

paxys 3y ago
You mean like this investigation which concludes exactly that – https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1736785128175669647 https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/17367851281756696...?
- flutas 3y ago
  > "A source told" Says enough. Official statement or bust.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    Doesn't Tesla, like all Musk companies, famously lack a PR department? Are we supposed to wait for Musk to Tweet something?
    - flutas 3y ago
      By that statement above, Disney supposedly "knows" that Tesla removed it. Couldn't they issue a statement, or at the very least delete their help article about how to access Disney+ in a Tesla since "they know" it's no longer accurate? All they would have to do is issue a statement something like > On Dec XXth we were made aware that Tesla decided to remove the Disney+ application from their vehicles, while we find this unfortunate there is nothing more we can do. Or someone could just email Disney's PR department, right?
      - jjulius 3y ago
        If you were Disney, would you want to continue to drag this out publicly, or would you prefer to hash this out behind the scenes and then announce a resolution?

ryandrake 3y ago

I won't buy a Tesla due to this "tethering to the mothership" behavior. Who knows what else they'll just decide to turn off (or on) unbeknownst to me, for reasons I have no control over? When I get in my (untethered) car tomorrow, I know that it will behave exactly as it behaved yesterday, besides any actual systems failures that require maintenance.

mey 3y ago
Tesla has multiple times made it clear that they don't believe you own the car. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/tesla-again-threatens-to-sue-cybertruck-buyers-who-try-to-resell-the-cars/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/tesla-again-thre... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-blacklist.248489/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-blacklist.2484... https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617 https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-featur... Considering they have the ability to remotely disable the car, they can make good on their threats, even with dubious legal standing.

brightball 3y ago

If that's true then it hasn't happened in mine yet.