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Your car has tried killing you on multiple occasions and you're only _considering_ returning it?

auggierose 3y ago
I have no idea why people are even considering using auto pilot / cruise control. I would say, well, not my problem, let them be guinea pigs and kill themselves, but then again, they might kill me as a side effect. This is clearly a failure of regulation. None of this should be allowed.
- chaosprint 3y ago
  makes sense. cruise control does feel dangerous if there is a car trying to merge on the right. I have to cancel it and manually control every time.
  - onionisafruit 3y ago
    In driving school they taught us to never use cruise control when passing. It’s only to avoid leg cramps when driving multiple hours in rural highways.
    - auggierose 3y ago
      Unbelievable.
      - ksenzee 3y ago
        It’s unbelievable that you’re not supposed to use cruise control when passing? It sounds like common sense to me: you’re supposed to be accelerating to get past the other car.
        auggierose 3y ago
        It's unbelievable that something so unreliable is allowed to be built into cars, and then people are learning work-arounds in driving school for it, instead of just getting rid of it entirely.
        ksenzee 3y ago
        Cruise control has been around for decades, and is a tool for maintaining a constant speed. When you're passing someone, you should not be maintaining a constant speed. Cruise control is therefore the wrong tool for that situation. Driving school teaches you to use the right tool for that situation, which is the accelerator.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  Surely you don't mean "cruise control" in the classic sense of "maintaining a steady speed so you can take your foot off the gas" because that's been around since the 1950s and is well-established.
  - auggierose 3y ago
    I mean any mechanism that cannot be easily understood and predicted by the driver because "AI".
    - bigbillheck 3y ago
      Cruise control is as understandable as a turn signal.
    - ksenzee 3y ago
      I agree wholeheartedly that unpredictable software is unacceptable in cars, and I drive an older model car specifically because it's not loaded with touchscreen software "features," but cruise control is the wrong target for your anger. It's old enough to be a retiree with a gold watch.
chaosprint 3y ago
There are many reasons. Tesla really makes the buying experience easy and delivery is fast. For other brand, I have to chat with different dealers and they always have some hidden terms and wiggling rooms for price. The interest rate for Tesla is also relatively low. perhaps they have some agreement with the bank. The battery life and charging experience are perfect, and the car settings on single screen are also very easy. The app experience is also good, and I use the sentry function often. So if I choose something else, maybe I’ll miss these too? As for safety issues, I think reversing is just ridiculous and annoying sound engineer (maybe because I am expert at music technology) but it has no safety concerns and can be fixed by firmware. for the autopilot issue, I just try not to use cruising as much as possible.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > Tesla really makes the buying experience easy and delivery is fast. Bad news: Death machine! Good news: Death machine delivered quickly.
  - sifar 3y ago
    and conveniently.
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      Give me convenience or give me death! Never had I imagined we could have both.
- d3w4s9 3y ago
  Purchase and delivery are one-time things. It is in a past. Even if it is the best experience you can have in the world, it doesn't matter now. You don't buy a new car every day. You face the risk of hitting other cars every day. A ten year old kid probably knows this well enough.
  - chaosprint 3y ago
    well if I don't use that pilot thing, it feels safe. and I have seen some tests that Tesla is as safe as Volvo. I doubt if any car cab offer 'perfect' autopilot system
jacquesm 3y ago
I had two instances of emergency braking in a Mercedes and sold it the day after the second time. According to Bosch (the manufacturer of the radar subsystem) the system was just fine and that was my main reason for selling it, they didn't even want to test drive it across the two spots where their junk malfunctioned.

I have no idea why people are even considering using auto pilot / cruise control. I would say, well, not my problem, let them be guinea pigs and kill themselves, but then again, they might kill me as a side effect. This is clearly a failure of regulation. None of this should be allowed.

chaosprint 3y ago
makes sense. cruise control does feel dangerous if there is a car trying to merge on the right. I have to cancel it and manually control every time.
- onionisafruit 3y ago
  In driving school they taught us to never use cruise control when passing. It’s only to avoid leg cramps when driving multiple hours in rural highways.
  - auggierose 3y ago
    Unbelievable.
    - ksenzee 3y ago
      It’s unbelievable that you’re not supposed to use cruise control when passing? It sounds like common sense to me: you’re supposed to be accelerating to get past the other car.
      - auggierose 3y ago
        It's unbelievable that something so unreliable is allowed to be built into cars, and then people are learning work-arounds in driving school for it, instead of just getting rid of it entirely.
        ksenzee 3y ago
        Cruise control has been around for decades, and is a tool for maintaining a constant speed. When you're passing someone, you should not be maintaining a constant speed. Cruise control is therefore the wrong tool for that situation. Driving school teaches you to use the right tool for that situation, which is the accelerator.
bigbillheck 3y ago
Surely you don't mean "cruise control" in the classic sense of "maintaining a steady speed so you can take your foot off the gas" because that's been around since the 1950s and is well-established.
- auggierose 3y ago
  I mean any mechanism that cannot be easily understood and predicted by the driver because "AI".
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    Cruise control is as understandable as a turn signal.
  - ksenzee 3y ago
    I agree wholeheartedly that unpredictable software is unacceptable in cars, and I drive an older model car specifically because it's not loaded with touchscreen software "features," but cruise control is the wrong target for your anger. It's old enough to be a retiree with a gold watch.

chaosprint 3y ago

There are many reasons. Tesla really makes the buying experience easy and delivery is fast. For other brand, I have to chat with different dealers and they always have some hidden terms and wiggling rooms for price. The interest rate for Tesla is also relatively low. perhaps they have some agreement with the bank. The battery life and charging experience are perfect, and the car settings on single screen are also very easy. The app experience is also good, and I use the sentry function often. So if I choose something else, maybe I’ll miss these too? As for safety issues, I think reversing is just ridiculous and annoying sound engineer (maybe because I am expert at music technology) but it has no safety concerns and can be fixed by firmware. for the autopilot issue, I just try not to use cruising as much as possible.

ceejayoz 3y ago
> Tesla really makes the buying experience easy and delivery is fast. Bad news: Death machine! Good news: Death machine delivered quickly.
- sifar 3y ago
  and conveniently.
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    Give me convenience or give me death! Never had I imagined we could have both.
d3w4s9 3y ago
Purchase and delivery are one-time things. It is in a past. Even if it is the best experience you can have in the world, it doesn't matter now. You don't buy a new car every day. You face the risk of hitting other cars every day. A ten year old kid probably knows this well enough.
- chaosprint 3y ago
  well if I don't use that pilot thing, it feels safe. and I have seen some tests that Tesla is as safe as Volvo. I doubt if any car cab offer 'perfect' autopilot system

jacquesm 3y ago

I had two instances of emergency braking in a Mercedes and sold it the day after the second time. According to Bosch (the manufacturer of the radar subsystem) the system was just fine and that was my main reason for selling it, they didn't even want to test drive it across the two spots where their junk malfunctioned.