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I have no strong feeling on Musk, but Tesla is far from being a good product. The vision based system is a disaster, I have been driving a new Model Y MY 2024
by chaosprint 3y ago
I have no strong feeling on Musk, but Tesla is far from being a good product.
The vision based system is a disaster, I have been driving a new Model Y MY 2024 for several days and got the following issues:
1. the cruise speed control stops working for 2 times due to "low visibility" on a foggy day. No sound alert but the car just slows down on motorway, which is super dangerous. As a comparison, my previous Hyundai Ioniq 5 can do cruise on foggy day perfectly.
2. There is another time on a single lane, the vision system got confused with oncoming traffic on the opposite lane and made a sudden break. Such behaviour is extremely dangerous on icy road now. Hyundai never had this issue on single lane pilot.
3. When I was on auto steering, the car somehow got confused with a motorway exit and made sudden break on motorway again. As a comparison, Hyundai will tell u: "ok, now I am not sure what to do, you have to control your steer". Tesla tried to be the hero but did a terrible mistake on motorway and I am sure if bad things happen it will just blame users.
4. The vision based system is terrible for reversing. It makes around 20 false alarms every time I reverse into my garage. And the sound engineering is so amateur that it pops/clicks because Tesla team is too unprofessional to know they need a crossfade or envelope. High school student mistake.
5. I have no time to test the emergent brake but Tesla reported a "failure on emergent brake" and I am waiting for service for this. As a comparison, my previous ioniq 5 saved me several times with the brake on parking lot.
6. During my car delivery, I found two scratches on the b-pillar. After they replaced it, the key card is not working... waiting for service again. Some irresponsible people put the types on the back seat and damaged the driver seat leather... unbelievable...
I am considering returning it, but on the other hand, I can hardly find a good alternative in Europe for Model Y, which is sad. I have checked ID4, Ioniq 5, EV6, Polestar and many Chinese models. They do have some other issues.
Don't trust those reviews online. Their trial time is too short to tell u these issues.
Model Y is also poor on suspension, window noise. And the door is harder to close compared with ioniq 5 that I had quite some time with (around 2 months).
- malfist 3y agoYour car has tried killing you on multiple occasions and you're only _considering_ returning it?
- auggierose 3y agoI have no idea why people are even considering using auto pilot / cruise control. I would say, well, not my problem, let them be guinea pigs and kill themselves, but then again, they might kill me as a side effect. This is clearly a failure of regulation. None of this should be allowed.
- chaosprint 3y agomakes sense. cruise control does feel dangerous if there is a car trying to merge on the right. I have to cancel it and manually control every time.
- onionisafruit 3y agoIn driving school they taught us to never use cruise control when passing. It’s only to avoid leg cramps when driving multiple hours in rural highways.
- auggierose 3y agoUnbelievable.
- ksenzee 3y agoIt’s unbelievable that you’re not supposed to use cruise control when passing? It sounds like common sense to me: you’re supposed to be accelerating to get past the other car.
- auggierose 3y agoIt's unbelievable that something so unreliable is allowed to be built into cars, and then people are learning work-arounds in driving school for it, instead of just getting rid of it entirely.
- davidkuennen 3y agoLook into the new ID7. I will get mine in a few months and from what I heard so far it's a damn good car. Everyone who tested it was thrilled.
- chaosprint 3y agoIt would be very hard for me to live without a car in Winter. But if ID7 has some inventory and I like it on test driving, I can sell Model Y and buy ID7 instead. The waiting time is also the reason why I did not choose Volvo XC40 recharge.
- spacehunt 3y agoThe XC40 was in the middle of a refresh which might explain the waiting time. Availability should be much better now, and MY24 has some really nice upgrades.
- chaosprint 3y agoyeah, but it's still based on CMA so the space is not best optimised I don't know how much will the new Polestar 4 cost but it looks more competitive than XC40
- spacehunt 3y agoThe transmission tunnel indeed is an issue, but they do use it as additional space for batteries to make the seating position a bit better for the rear left/right passengers.
- fuzzy2 3y agoIt has VW software, so… yeah. No doubt, all the ID.s drive great. Their usability otherwise is not good however. Especially the capacitive “buttons” on the steering wheel are atrocious.
- have_faith 3y ago
- mtreis86 3y agoWhat are you doing that your parking brake is saving you in a parking lot (5)?
- Kye 3y agoDoesn't everyone drift into parking spots to get them before someone else?
- TeMPOraL 3y agoYeah, I gave up competing with you folks and switched to flying a helicopter instead - I now get to identify parking spots and drop into them like a brick, autorotating to a soft landing at the last second, before any of you fast and furious even realize the spot was free.
- adrianmonk 3y agoOf course. Because Elwood Blues showed us the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wfwpHAwaME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wfwpHAwaME
- LeafItAlone 3y agoProbably avoiding people driving in parking lots like they are streets with added rage for finding a parking spot. See, for example, any Costco parking lot
- chaosprint 3y agoIt brakes before I reacted to some potential crashes. I might have noticed them but the brakes are really impressive.
- Kye 3y agoIt sounds like you might mean something different by emergency brake than I think most non-Tesla drivers expect. I've always called the lever/pedal with a direct mechanical link to the brakes the emergency brake. Is this a thing on Teslas?
- snovv_crash 3y agoSo why not the Ioniq?
- chaosprint 3y agoTeals is better in terms of ordering experience, battery life, driving control, charging experience, interest rate and price, screen, space and design. But yeah it's a hard choice. no car is perfect, at least Tesla is easier to sell as used car
- Infinitesimus 3y agoWhy did you get rid of the ioniq 5 then?
- chaosprint 3y agoI used ioniq 5 on driving school and rented it for one month after I got my license. - ioniq 5 has a terrible bug on its turning signal; it often automatically turns off at wrong points. since I use it so often, it's so annoying. - ioniq 5 has no rear wiper, which makes it super dangerous to drive on snowy/rainy days. the air dynamics just cannot remove the water or snow on the rear window. - another deal breaker is the driving experience, the car is harder to control than Tesla. at every turn I feel uncomfortable. These three points bother me every minute I drive it. and it's even more expensive than Model Y. :)
- mrtksn 3y agoThe lack of rear wiper is standart for most sedans. I haven't noticed that until I tried to turn on the rear wiper in a car of a friend. Now all I can see on the road is the lack of wipers on sedans. Keep checking for wipers all the time, like an obsession and most sedans don't have it. It's probably not super dangerous, the sedan's shape allows for the airflow to flow along and clean it.
- chaosprint 3y agobut ioniq 5 is not a sedan and its rear window is unusable due to the lack of rear wiper.
- yardie 3y agoSedans have a sloped rear window. In theory, laminar airflow is sufficient to clear any debris from it. SUV/CUV have a nearly vertical rear window. This creates a pocket vortex where dust and water stick to the glass and there is no airflow to blow it off. And the Ioniq 5 is considered a CUV.
- bigbillheck 3y agoI'm at a bit of a loss as to how you're getting snow on the rear window while driving, and in quantities so large for the rear defroster (which surely the ioniq has?) to not be able to keep up.
- basseed 3y ago"a sudden break"?? You mean it suddenly braked?
- chaosprint 3y agoyes, it's really dangerous. I was shocked
- semi-extrinsic 3y agoAs someone who does not own a Tesla, but drives in a country where 25% of all new cars sold are now Model 3 or Model Y, we can all confirm this and it is now common wisdom to keep good distance if we are driving behind these vehicles. Beta testing in prod is great /s.
- malfist 3y agoThey're making fun of you for using the wrong spelling of brake/break. I guess pedants don't have anything better to do.
- ksenzee 3y agoNo, in this case I think it’s fair to ask for clarification, since the whole point of the article is that things are suddenly breaking on Teslas.
- jacquesm 3y agoNot a native English speaker/writer, clearly.
- sathackr 3y agoI have an ioniq 5 as well and recently drove a 2023 model 3. It had some nice features but overall reaffirmed my decision not to buy a Tesla when I bought the Ioniq 5. The braking algorithm for the adaptive cruise control on the M3 was not nearly as good as my Ioniq 5. False alarms for collisions, times to "TAKE CONTROL NOW" were massively increased over my I5. I have essentially no false alarms on the I5. Thr driver attention monitor seems based on steering wheel deflection vs torque. Extremely often it decided my hands were not resisting it enough on the steering and commanded me to move the wheel slightly. Except the force required to do so enough to satisfy it was very near the force needed for it to automatically disengage. It was also enough force for the car to noticably swerve in the lane and the passengers to notice. My I5 just needs a slight jiggle on the wheel. It still false alarms, thinking my hands were not on the wheel when they were, but massively reduced from the Model 3. Then there was the time that I unbuckled my seatbelt to take off my jacket. The Model 3 had an absolute meltdown. Screaming alarms, autosteer disengaged immediately. It was a WTF moment compared to my I5. Any time the lane would widen to accommodate an upcoming exit, the model 3 would move to the right to stay centered in what it thought were it's lane markings. Very dangerous. My I5 doesn't do this, it will stay going straight and alert you if it loses confidence in its ability to identify the lane. The only thing the autosteer did better than my I5 was navigating curves. I think this is because the system in the I5 is limited to the turn rate it can command, and anything more than a gradual curve exceeds that. It will disengage and run you into the guardrail or ditch, if you are not payjng attention. Many times I got a "corrective action applied for your safety" in the model 3 and never could figure out what was actually done or what the danger it was avoiding was. Many times it mistook parking lot line markings as obstacles.
- chaosprint 3y agoI don't like the autopilot at Tesla at all. I forget to mention this: it tries to "punish" me by disabling the function if I don't put my hands there. But the fact is that I put my hand there all the time and Tesla is just too stupid to detect it... Model 3 MY 2024 even cancelled the stalk, which is a terrible idea for roundabout .
- sathackr 3y ago
- brightball 3y ago> Tesla is far from being a good product. I bought a used 2020 Model 3 in May. It's fantastic. Best car I've ever owned. Most fun to drive by a mile. My wife and I went shopping to test drive cars for her recently. After experiencing the Tesla...everything else doesn't even compare, especially for the price. If it's far from being a good product then every other vehicle on the market is much, much farther.
- maxdo 3y agoFor visual system , you’re not on FSD , I’m one year on FSD and it’s much better , I heard they will rollout in 2024 FSD stack to EU . Car is a bit over alert on emergency break and I would say it is good but annoying