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> We’re mostly talking at cross purposes here. I don't think we are, I just disagree with you. I think you're trying to downplay what's happening in the UK and

> We’re mostly talking at cross purposes here. I don't think we are, I just disagree with you. I think you're trying to downplay what's happening in the UK and act as though it's completely normal and common in other similar countries. It isn't. > None of this has to do with tweets specifically. Sure, it's general to online social media, but tweets are the main thing people are getting arrested for. > The UK is no different in this respect from most other countries that aren’t the US. And I've specifically outlined why I disagree with this. > You keep judging things by what you happen to have read in the news rather than actively looking for examples. Because people getting arrested for making tweets in the UK keeps making the news. There's a reason it doesn't make the news as much from other non-US countries - it isn't happening as often or as egregiously. > This is leading you to make some inaccurate assumptions (such as e.g. that you can't be arrested in the UK for what you say in a park on a soapbox) I'm not making any inaccurate assumptions, I'm sticking to cold hard facts. I didn't say you can't be arrested for saying something on a soapbox in the UK, I'm saying if the people who got arrested for their tweets said it from a soapbox they wouldn't have. Twitter was being treated differently. > Here are some relevant Google queries: And none of them return cases as egregiously as those in the UK. Again, in the UK what is being considered hate speech is far more general than other countries. Just to reinforce my point again, free speech in the UK is likely the lowest of any first world country. People were arrested just for protesting the new king, not being violent, no hate speech, nothing. Think about that before you come back so quick to defend the crown.

foldr 3y ago
We are definitely talking at cross purposes if you think I’m here to “defend the crown”. You seem to keep missing the point that I agree with you that the people we’re talking about should not have been arrested. What I disagree with are your hyperbolic statements about the UK based on a particular emphasis in the English-speaking media on the “arrested for a tweet” trope. You dismiss the results of the Google queries I provided, but they all turn up similar stories that simply weren’t as widely reported in English-speaking media. (The Spanish guy was even arrested just for insulting the King on Twitter, a tweet which certainly wouldn't get you arrested in the UK. Private Eye would have been shut down decades ago if this were a crime!)
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  > We are definitely talking at cross purposes if you think I’m here to “defend the crown”. We're really not lol. I said defend the crown as shorthand for you defending the UK, which is exactly what you are doing. > You seem to keep missing the point that I agree with you that the people we’re talking about should not have been arrested. My point, said repeatedly by this point, is that the UK is worse than other similar countries. > What I disagree with are your hyperbolic statements about the UK based on a particular emphasis in the English-speaking media on the “arrested for a tweet” trope.What I disagree with are your hyperbolic statements about the UK based on a particular emphasis in the English-speaking media on the “arrested for a tweet” trope. It's not hyperbolic in the least. It's a much bigger problem in the UK than for other countries, and it's entirely accurate. > You dismiss the results of the Google queries I provided, but they all turn up similar stories that simply weren’t as widely reported in English-speaking media It's about the quantity. It happens far more in the UK, for less egregious things.
  - foldr 3y ago
    Now you are just insisting on your point without providing any evidence, other than whatever subjective impression of frequency you have from the news stories that you happen to read. The news isn't a random sample of current events.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      "subjective impression", sigh. At every step of this conversation you're made an effort to be as dismissive as possible. Here's a thought: Maybe your blind patriotism has you being in denial? You dismiss any instance because "that happens in other countries too, it's no different here", which just isn't true. How do you defend people protesting the new kings coronation being arrested, when they were not engaging in hate speech or rioting or anything that deserved an arrest? UK has the worst free speech of any the anglo countries, by a large margin.
      - foldr 3y ago

foldr 3y ago

We are definitely talking at cross purposes if you think I’m here to “defend the crown”. You seem to keep missing the point that I agree with you that the people we’re talking about should not have been arrested. What I disagree with are your hyperbolic statements about the UK based on a particular emphasis in the English-speaking media on the “arrested for a tweet” trope. You dismiss the results of the Google queries I provided, but they all turn up similar stories that simply weren’t as widely reported in English-speaking media. (The Spanish guy was even arrested just for insulting the King on Twitter, a tweet which certainly wouldn't get you arrested in the UK. Private Eye would have been shut down decades ago if this were a crime!)

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
> We are definitely talking at cross purposes if you think I’m here to “defend the crown”. We're really not lol. I said defend the crown as shorthand for you defending the UK, which is exactly what you are doing. > You seem to keep missing the point that I agree with you that the people we’re talking about should not have been arrested. My point, said repeatedly by this point, is that the UK is worse than other similar countries. > What I disagree with are your hyperbolic statements about the UK based on a particular emphasis in the English-speaking media on the “arrested for a tweet” trope.What I disagree with are your hyperbolic statements about the UK based on a particular emphasis in the English-speaking media on the “arrested for a tweet” trope. It's not hyperbolic in the least. It's a much bigger problem in the UK than for other countries, and it's entirely accurate. > You dismiss the results of the Google queries I provided, but they all turn up similar stories that simply weren’t as widely reported in English-speaking media It's about the quantity. It happens far more in the UK, for less egregious things.
- foldr 3y ago
  Now you are just insisting on your point without providing any evidence, other than whatever subjective impression of frequency you have from the news stories that you happen to read. The news isn't a random sample of current events.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    "subjective impression", sigh. At every step of this conversation you're made an effort to be as dismissive as possible. Here's a thought: Maybe your blind patriotism has you being in denial? You dismiss any instance because "that happens in other countries too, it's no different here", which just isn't true. How do you defend people protesting the new kings coronation being arrested, when they were not engaging in hate speech or rioting or anything that deserved an arrest? UK has the worst free speech of any the anglo countries, by a large margin.
    - foldr 3y ago