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Just get a lucid, same thing.

clouddrover 3y ago
Except Nios can both charge and swap. You can have a 75 kWh battery most of the time, swap to a 150 kWh for a road trip, and then swap back to a 75 kWh for your daily driving. It means you don't own the battery, but it also means you can change to a new battery whenever you want.
- KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
  If they fully insure or warranty the battery against all damages then it's a great deal. Battery depreciates a lot faster than the car, even if you don't use it.
  - andruby 3y ago
    Do you have any data to support the statement that batteries depreciate a lot faster than the car? Tesla guarantees the battery for 8 years or 192,000km. If the battery degraded to below 80% of spec, they replace it for free. Meaning that probably 95% or more of their batteries still have a higher capacity at that point. Modern EV batteries are really good. A car that's 8 years old or has 192,000km will probably have lost about 70% of its resale value.
    - Robotbeat 3y ago
      I have a 2013 Tesla Model S I bought used. It now has about 150,000 miles on it, probably about 85% of the battery capacity, and still gets regular over the air updates. I go on road trips a few times a year (with my family of 5), last time was about 2/3rds across the continental US and back. It’s got wear and tear like a 10 year old car, but the battery is fine.
      - bradfa 3y ago
        What was your used Tesla buying experience like? Did you buy from a dealer or a private party? Any issues with the transfer of ownership? How has the car held up other than the battery? You say it has wear and tear like a 10 year old car but that can mean drastically different things depending on how people normally maintain their cars and what kinds of environments they drive in (local to me in upstate NY we use a lot of salt on the roads, an average 10 year old car is likely going to be nearing to the end of its life due to rust issues whose repair cost may equal a substantial portion of the value of the car).
- calgoo 3y ago
  I have always thought that swappable batteries make a lot more sense then charging stations where you have to wait instead of just stopping at a station where the batteries are replaced like a old vhs player :)
  - filcuk 3y ago
    From practical standpoint, absolutely. But the number of spare batteries laying around? Maybe, if this will be used in the future, those can help balance the power grid while not in use.
    - rowyourboat 3y ago
      > Maybe, if this will be used in the future, those can help balance the power grid while not in use NIO are already doing at least part of that by charging the batteries during time of excess energy only

Except Nios can both charge and swap. You can have a 75 kWh battery most of the time, swap to a 150 kWh for a road trip, and then swap back to a 75 kWh for your daily driving. It means you don't own the battery, but it also means you can change to a new battery whenever you want.

KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
If they fully insure or warranty the battery against all damages then it's a great deal. Battery depreciates a lot faster than the car, even if you don't use it.
- andruby 3y ago
  Do you have any data to support the statement that batteries depreciate a lot faster than the car? Tesla guarantees the battery for 8 years or 192,000km. If the battery degraded to below 80% of spec, they replace it for free. Meaning that probably 95% or more of their batteries still have a higher capacity at that point. Modern EV batteries are really good. A car that's 8 years old or has 192,000km will probably have lost about 70% of its resale value.
  - Robotbeat 3y ago
    I have a 2013 Tesla Model S I bought used. It now has about 150,000 miles on it, probably about 85% of the battery capacity, and still gets regular over the air updates. I go on road trips a few times a year (with my family of 5), last time was about 2/3rds across the continental US and back. It’s got wear and tear like a 10 year old car, but the battery is fine.
    - bradfa 3y ago
      What was your used Tesla buying experience like? Did you buy from a dealer or a private party? Any issues with the transfer of ownership? How has the car held up other than the battery? You say it has wear and tear like a 10 year old car but that can mean drastically different things depending on how people normally maintain their cars and what kinds of environments they drive in (local to me in upstate NY we use a lot of salt on the roads, an average 10 year old car is likely going to be nearing to the end of its life due to rust issues whose repair cost may equal a substantial portion of the value of the car).
calgoo 3y ago
I have always thought that swappable batteries make a lot more sense then charging stations where you have to wait instead of just stopping at a station where the batteries are replaced like a old vhs player :)
- filcuk 3y ago
  From practical standpoint, absolutely. But the number of spare batteries laying around? Maybe, if this will be used in the future, those can help balance the power grid while not in use.
  - rowyourboat 3y ago
    > Maybe, if this will be used in the future, those can help balance the power grid while not in use NIO are already doing at least part of that by charging the batteries during time of excess energy only