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> non-public residential addresses What is a "non-public" address? All addresses are public information. It is not at all clear what you're protecting and from

> non-public residential addresses What is a "non-public" address? All addresses are public information. It is not at all clear what you're protecting and from whom; there is a distinct lack of a coherent threat model.

sneak 3y ago
An address not known to be yours, one that is not associated with your name in public records, such as the one where you or your kids regularly sleep. Everyone knows the address on your DL and vehicle registrations is basically public record, it’s sold to data brokers and is searchable. Same with any property held directly. This is why you have a holding company own the properties, and keep your name off the public records for the holding company. Utilities might still be in your name, however, as not everyone knows how to obtain those under aliases or remembers to have their staff do it for them. They often want credit checks on a normal person for non-commercial service plans, or for residential addresses. App location histories, mobile service location histories, Uber trip logs, food delivery order history, all of these are potential vectors for leakage, too. There’s a big gap between “wealthy enough to be able to pay for some measure of privacy/safety for one’s family” and “wealthy enough to warrant spending salaries for three shifts of armed guards 24/7/365”.
- forward1 3y ago
  So data brokers have access to search DL and vehicle registrations, but not holding company records? You do realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? Also, what do you think will happen if someone learns you live at a particular address? Literally what risk is there?
  - sneak 3y ago
    Holding company owners don’t have to be public, only their managers (who need not have equity). You have to tell the IRS about the beneficial ownership but that’s not public record. The IRS, surprisingly, has been fairly good thus far about keeping private stuff private. It’s not just data brokers who can search DL/vehicle data. It only costs a few bucks to access it. That’s their whole business model. I know people who have been swatted, had their vehicles smashed, their children threatened, their houses shot up or vandalized or broken into, mail or packages stolen, et c. Fortunately I don’t personally know of any kidnappings or home invasions, but such an attack enables same for a sufficiently determined attacker. People at risk like this either take steps to keep their residential addresses non-public, or hire 24/7 security forces, or both.

sneak 3y ago

An address not known to be yours, one that is not associated with your name in public records, such as the one where you or your kids regularly sleep. Everyone knows the address on your DL and vehicle registrations is basically public record, it’s sold to data brokers and is searchable. Same with any property held directly. This is why you have a holding company own the properties, and keep your name off the public records for the holding company. Utilities might still be in your name, however, as not everyone knows how to obtain those under aliases or remembers to have their staff do it for them. They often want credit checks on a normal person for non-commercial service plans, or for residential addresses. App location histories, mobile service location histories, Uber trip logs, food delivery order history, all of these are potential vectors for leakage, too. There’s a big gap between “wealthy enough to be able to pay for some measure of privacy/safety for one’s family” and “wealthy enough to warrant spending salaries for three shifts of armed guards 24/7/365”.

forward1 3y ago
So data brokers have access to search DL and vehicle registrations, but not holding company records? You do realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? Also, what do you think will happen if someone learns you live at a particular address? Literally what risk is there?
- sneak 3y ago
  Holding company owners don’t have to be public, only their managers (who need not have equity). You have to tell the IRS about the beneficial ownership but that’s not public record. The IRS, surprisingly, has been fairly good thus far about keeping private stuff private. It’s not just data brokers who can search DL/vehicle data. It only costs a few bucks to access it. That’s their whole business model. I know people who have been swatted, had their vehicles smashed, their children threatened, their houses shot up or vandalized or broken into, mail or packages stolen, et c. Fortunately I don’t personally know of any kidnappings or home invasions, but such an attack enables same for a sufficiently determined attacker. People at risk like this either take steps to keep their residential addresses non-public, or hire 24/7 security forces, or both.