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Another piece from NYT rewriting history. People were hiding from Gestapo, SS or Germans. Nazis didn't exists at that time, it is a modern word reinvented long

by slaw 3y ago

Another piece from NYT rewriting history. People were hiding from Gestapo, SS or Germans. Nazis didn't exists at that time, it is a modern word reinvented long after WW2.

musicale 3y ago
You can search for NYT headlines and articles using the term at: https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/world-war-ii-193945 https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/world-war-ii-193945
aebtebeten 3y ago
> Nazis didn't exists at that time Don't Be a Sucker, released 1947 (produced 1943): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE#t=270 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE#t=270 (IMO still apropos today) Edit: for those who prefer german sources, see https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper?query=nazi https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper...
defrost 3y ago
The first use of the term "Nazi" by the National Socialists occurred in 1926 in a publication by Joseph Goebbels called Der Nazi-Sozi ["The Nazi-Sozi"]. In Goebbels' pamphlet, the word "Nazi" only appears when linked with the word "Sozi" as an abbreviation of "National Socialism". After the NSDAP's rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term "Nazi" by itself or in terms such as "Nazi Germany", "Nazi regime", and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism The Gestapo and SS were organs carrying out Nazi policy. Nazi members were in Holland and elsewhere making the public statements about how people were to behave and what minorities were to report for transport and reeducation, etc. The timeline here works.
- aebtebeten 3y ago
  > ... popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. Here are ~18k uses 1929-1933; the top hits do seem mainly to come from lefty publications, but it'd be news to me that places like Bad Godesberg, Detmold and Witten are not "in Germany": https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper?query=nazi&fromDay=1&fromMonth=1&fromYear=1929&toDay=31&toMonth=12&toYear=1933 https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper... After 1933 there is a distinct drop in published use of the term, and those who continue to use it seem to be in exile, so I guess the Nazis (like their modern descendants?) didn't care for the pejorative?
  - defrost 3y ago
    It certainly seems to have morphed early into a slur like many things that start out as a handy shorthand, less popular in Germany (at the time) than outside but still in wide enough use to be understood. It all meshes with the claim that it was used as a slur in occupied Holland at the time of the OP story, the cartoonist in the attic, dspite the GP comment assertion that the term never existed until some post war "modern" usage.

by slaw 3y ago

Another piece from NYT rewriting history. People were hiding from Gestapo, SS or Germans. Nazis didn't exists at that time, it is a modern word reinvented long after WW2.

musicale 3y ago

You can search for NYT headlines and articles using the term at: https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/world-war-ii-193945 https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/world-war-ii-193945

aebtebeten 3y ago

> Nazis didn't exists at that time Don't Be a Sucker, released 1947 (produced 1943): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE#t=270 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE#t=270 (IMO still apropos today) Edit: for those who prefer german sources, see https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper?query=nazi https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper...

defrost 3y ago

The first use of the term "Nazi" by the National Socialists occurred in 1926 in a publication by Joseph Goebbels called Der Nazi-Sozi ["The Nazi-Sozi"]. In Goebbels' pamphlet, the word "Nazi" only appears when linked with the word "Sozi" as an abbreviation of "National Socialism". After the NSDAP's rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term "Nazi" by itself or in terms such as "Nazi Germany", "Nazi regime", and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism The Gestapo and SS were organs carrying out Nazi policy. Nazi members were in Holland and elsewhere making the public statements about how people were to behave and what minorities were to report for transport and reeducation, etc. The timeline here works.

aebtebeten 3y ago
> ... popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. Here are ~18k uses 1929-1933; the top hits do seem mainly to come from lefty publications, but it'd be news to me that places like Bad Godesberg, Detmold and Witten are not "in Germany": https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper?query=nazi&fromDay=1&fromMonth=1&fromYear=1929&toDay=31&toMonth=12&toYear=1933 https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/search/newspaper... After 1933 there is a distinct drop in published use of the term, and those who continue to use it seem to be in exile, so I guess the Nazis (like their modern descendants?) didn't care for the pejorative?
- defrost 3y ago
  It certainly seems to have morphed early into a slur like many things that start out as a handy shorthand, less popular in Germany (at the time) than outside but still in wide enough use to be understood. It all meshes with the claim that it was used as a slur in occupied Holland at the time of the OP story, the cartoonist in the attic, dspite the GP comment assertion that the term never existed until some post war "modern" usage.