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Well, right now, there's nothing, but there's also nothing stopping us as a society from imposing costs on Apple that are far higher than the cost to 'subsidize

Well, right now, there's nothing, but there's also nothing stopping us as a society from imposing costs on Apple that are far higher than the cost to 'subsidize android users'.

chongli 3y ago
Why would I, as a member of society, want to impose costs on one company in an industry and not on their competitors? That’s picking favourites! Either force all the companies to work together on a standard or stay hands off!
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  > Why would I, as a member of society, want to impose costs on one company in an industry and not on their competitors? ...Because I like their competitors, and not them? I don't really have any obligation to be even-handed.
  - chongli 3y ago
    I think you do if you're talking about changing public policy (law-making). Or maybe you're not doing that and just trying to create pressure from the buying public. Fair enough. In that case, why should Apple listen to you? You're not their customer. You've admitted that you don't like them as a company, so you'd never buy their products. They have no reason to listen to anything you say. Likewise for anyone who agrees with you (other people who don't like Apple or their products). If you're hoping to get people who do like Apple products on your side, well, good luck with that. These people tend to be quite happy with their purchases, and happy with iMessage in general. I have no problems messaging Android users on my phone. It makes no difference whatsoever to me whether Apple releases iMessage for Android or not, so why should I put pressure on Apple to do that? I'd rather they put the effort into improving the products I use.
    - genocidicbunny 3y ago
      I think you're spinning this into a bigger topic than I was. I was (with a not insignificant amount of snark) pointing out that we shouldn't be relying on Google to save us -- we the people as a society have the power to ultimately dictate terms. And that ultimately, the rules are made up and the points don't matter.

Well, right now, there's nothing, but there's also nothing stopping us as a society from imposing costs on Apple that are far higher than the cost to 'subsidize android users'.

chongli 3y ago

Why would I, as a member of society, want to impose costs on one company in an industry and not on their competitors? That’s picking favourites! Either force all the companies to work together on a standard or stay hands off!

genocidicbunny 3y ago
> Why would I, as a member of society, want to impose costs on one company in an industry and not on their competitors? ...Because I like their competitors, and not them? I don't really have any obligation to be even-handed.
- chongli 3y ago
  I think you do if you're talking about changing public policy (law-making). Or maybe you're not doing that and just trying to create pressure from the buying public. Fair enough. In that case, why should Apple listen to you? You're not their customer. You've admitted that you don't like them as a company, so you'd never buy their products. They have no reason to listen to anything you say. Likewise for anyone who agrees with you (other people who don't like Apple or their products). If you're hoping to get people who do like Apple products on your side, well, good luck with that. These people tend to be quite happy with their purchases, and happy with iMessage in general. I have no problems messaging Android users on my phone. It makes no difference whatsoever to me whether Apple releases iMessage for Android or not, so why should I put pressure on Apple to do that? I'd rather they put the effort into improving the products I use.
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    I think you're spinning this into a bigger topic than I was. I was (with a not insignificant amount of snark) pointing out that we shouldn't be relying on Google to save us -- we the people as a society have the power to ultimately dictate terms. And that ultimately, the rules are made up and the points don't matter.