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Wow. Try studying all of human history, especially the past century. There's many thousands of books, as a starter. Look at the history of disarmament and why i

Wow. Try studying all of human history, especially the past century. There's many thousands of books, as a starter. Look at the history of disarmament and why it's done by tyrannies. Do you imagine for one nanosecond that North Koreans outside of the government own guns, to take one solid example?

wolverine876 3y ago
All the most free, prosperous, and safe countries in the world have many fewer guns, and gun rights, than the US. The US is the outlier, and it's even the outlier now for its own history. The US in 2023 is the outlier in time and place.
- junofan 3y ago
  Inconveniently, a lot of those places had all citizens turn over their guns to occupying forces between 1939–1946…
  - thejefflarson 3y ago
    And that turned out really well. I’m unclear what your point is.
jimnotgym 3y ago
That doesn't seem like a solid example at all. North Korea was quite capable of running a dictatorship since circa 1948. It seems from a quick read around that they brought in gun controls in 2009. It sounds to me that it is perfectly possible to oppress a country with or without gin control.
throw0101b 3y ago
> Wow. Try studying all of human history, especially the past century. This has been done: surveying ~600 movements since 1900, researchers found those that used violence were successful about 25% of the time, while non-violent movements were successful over 40% of the time: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resistance-works https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis... Further: movements that used violence, and happened to be successful, also were much more likely to become authoritative themselves, while non-violent movements were more likely to be non-authoritative. The recent historical record shows that you're better off not using guns, the exact opposite of your claim.

wolverine876 3y ago

All the most free, prosperous, and safe countries in the world have many fewer guns, and gun rights, than the US. The US is the outlier, and it's even the outlier now for its own history. The US in 2023 is the outlier in time and place.

junofan 3y ago
Inconveniently, a lot of those places had all citizens turn over their guns to occupying forces between 1939–1946…
- thejefflarson 3y ago
  And that turned out really well. I’m unclear what your point is.

jimnotgym 3y ago

That doesn't seem like a solid example at all. North Korea was quite capable of running a dictatorship since circa 1948. It seems from a quick read around that they brought in gun controls in 2009. It sounds to me that it is perfectly possible to oppress a country with or without gin control.

throw0101b 3y ago

> Wow. Try studying all of human history, especially the past century. This has been done: surveying ~600 movements since 1900, researchers found those that used violence were successful about 25% of the time, while non-violent movements were successful over 40% of the time: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resistance-works https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis... Further: movements that used violence, and happened to be successful, also were much more likely to become authoritative themselves, while non-violent movements were more likely to be non-authoritative. The recent historical record shows that you're better off not using guns, the exact opposite of your claim.