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Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

36 points by oblib 3y ago

oblib 3y ago
I know politics is on the list of things not to post, but I think this qualifies for the exceptions to that.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics Most, not all.
- t0mmyg7n 3y ago
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- rvz 3y ago
  It doesn't. This is entirely political, unrelated to tech and can be found on mainstream news.
  - junofan 3y ago
    Lawfare is definitely interesting to hackers.
  - justinzollars 3y ago
    Electing Democrats had a huge effect on Figma employees. US bowing to EU regulators? No pressure or response from the US?
    - verdverm 3y ago
      bowing, or deferring, perhaps the US saved a bunch of money on legal fees everyone pretty much thought it wasn't going to be allowed anyway based on the initial rulings. Adobe and Figma spent a year trying to find concessions to satisfy regulators and didn't, thus they gave up
  - nicce 3y ago
    > unrelated to tech If you look at the rules, this site is not about tech. It is just popular topic.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    I find wading into constitutional law pretty interesting, and we ought to be informed citizens if we want our democracy to thrive If we can talk about the case (it's a big one with big implications for the US), on merit and about the arguments being made, so that we might better understand how our country works, that seems like a valid topic to discuss within the HN community.
  - oblib 3y ago
    I reviewed the guidelines here again before posting this and it meets them. This is really a huge, and rare, and thus historic event for the U.S. and State governance. If I recall correctly there are several other States that have been pondering keeping Trump off their ballots as well. All those States have had laws that cover this for a very long time, but as far as I know none have ever exercised them to keep a Presidential candidate off their ballots.
Miner49er 3y ago
I'm no Trump supporter, but I find this decision very undemocratic. Seven judges have the power to prevent someone from being voted for by the people?
- r2_pilot 3y ago
  Well, perhaps people seeking leadership positions should distance themselves from situations where they may violate laws which cause the effect of losing the ability to be a candidate. Or, as the kids say these days, fuck around and find out.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - verdverm 3y ago
    > perhaps people seeking leadership positions should distance themselves from situations where they may violate laws Ironically, after watching proceedings and reading opinions from several Trump cases, I think Trump is having a hard time finding good lawyers because the good ones are distancing themselves from situations where they may violate laws which cause the effect of losing their ability to practice law. i.e. They don't want to fuck around and find out
- verdverm 3y ago
  It's more that there are a bunch of people arguing and filing briefs if a person falls within the purview of the law. It's not just 7 people, those judges were appointed by elected officials, so the people have had a say in how we got to here. By and large, the constitution grants wide privilege for states to decide how they run their elections, and how they validate whether a person is qualified. I'm watching the actual proceedings right now, they arguments are interesting so far. This is also the same thesis underlying the ability to do mass mail in voting during a pandemic and the increasing coalition of states that intend to honor the national popular vote rather than the results of their state.
  - Thuggery 3y ago
cf100clunk 3y ago
Link to the actual decision (PDF): https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24233451/colorado-supreme-court-decision-removing-trump-from-2024-ballot-based-on-14th-amendments-insurrectionist-ban.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24233451/colorado-sup...
JohnnyHerz 3y ago
Calling Jan 6th an insurrection is a joke. I Don't Like Trump - didn't vote for him. AND even though I am politically conservative for the most part, I don't care if Trump is on the ballot or not. He is an agent of Chaos. But if you are paying attention at all, you realize that Jan 6th was nothing more than a idiotic attempt at a protest. Insurrection? gimme a break smh ...what a laughable characterization. The liberal power brokers know it's a lie, they just sit in their high towers and laugh at the sheeple that buy what they sell. The political lawfare being waged against Trump is eventually going to get turned back around and used against liberals. When that happens, libs will throw tantrums and scream like babies, yet i will feel no sorrow for their plight. Only sadness and shame that my country has fallen so far. And if you're wondering which way i lean? So far, RFK Jr is the only viable option I'll consider and it's unlikely we'll see anything better this time around.
- two_handfuls 3y ago
  Just because it was a poorly executed insurrection doesn’t make it any less of one. This was not a protest. It was an act of violence, complete with a death threat, and its goal was to forcibly prevent the democratic transfer of power.
  - infotainment 3y ago
    Exactly -- people stormed a government facility with the express aim of killing a particular official (Pence) who wasn't compliant with their demands. The fact that it was only attempted and didn't succeed doesn't make it meaningless. Reminds me of that classic Simpsons quote: "Attempted murder. Now honestly what is that? Can you win a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?”
    - JohnnyHerz 3y ago
      Drinking the cool-aid. add 2 more sheep to the herd
  - deleted 3y ago
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Mobil1 3y ago
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ais89 3y ago
This is just lawfare

36 points by oblib 3y ago

oblib 3y ago

I know politics is on the list of things not to post, but I think this qualifies for the exceptions to that.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics Most, not all.
t0mmyg7n 3y ago
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rvz 3y ago
It doesn't. This is entirely political, unrelated to tech and can be found on mainstream news.
- junofan 3y ago
  Lawfare is definitely interesting to hackers.
- justinzollars 3y ago
  Electing Democrats had a huge effect on Figma employees. US bowing to EU regulators? No pressure or response from the US?
  - verdverm 3y ago
    bowing, or deferring, perhaps the US saved a bunch of money on legal fees everyone pretty much thought it wasn't going to be allowed anyway based on the initial rulings. Adobe and Figma spent a year trying to find concessions to satisfy regulators and didn't, thus they gave up
- nicce 3y ago
  > unrelated to tech If you look at the rules, this site is not about tech. It is just popular topic.
- verdverm 3y ago
  I find wading into constitutional law pretty interesting, and we ought to be informed citizens if we want our democracy to thrive If we can talk about the case (it's a big one with big implications for the US), on merit and about the arguments being made, so that we might better understand how our country works, that seems like a valid topic to discuss within the HN community.
- oblib 3y ago
  I reviewed the guidelines here again before posting this and it meets them. This is really a huge, and rare, and thus historic event for the U.S. and State governance. If I recall correctly there are several other States that have been pondering keeping Trump off their ballots as well. All those States have had laws that cover this for a very long time, but as far as I know none have ever exercised them to keep a Presidential candidate off their ballots.

Miner49er 3y ago

I'm no Trump supporter, but I find this decision very undemocratic. Seven judges have the power to prevent someone from being voted for by the people?

r2_pilot 3y ago
Well, perhaps people seeking leadership positions should distance themselves from situations where they may violate laws which cause the effect of losing the ability to be a candidate. Or, as the kids say these days, fuck around and find out.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- verdverm 3y ago
  > perhaps people seeking leadership positions should distance themselves from situations where they may violate laws Ironically, after watching proceedings and reading opinions from several Trump cases, I think Trump is having a hard time finding good lawyers because the good ones are distancing themselves from situations where they may violate laws which cause the effect of losing their ability to practice law. i.e. They don't want to fuck around and find out
verdverm 3y ago
It's more that there are a bunch of people arguing and filing briefs if a person falls within the purview of the law. It's not just 7 people, those judges were appointed by elected officials, so the people have had a say in how we got to here. By and large, the constitution grants wide privilege for states to decide how they run their elections, and how they validate whether a person is qualified. I'm watching the actual proceedings right now, they arguments are interesting so far. This is also the same thesis underlying the ability to do mass mail in voting during a pandemic and the increasing coalition of states that intend to honor the national popular vote rather than the results of their state.
- Thuggery 3y ago

cf100clunk 3y ago

Link to the actual decision (PDF): https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24233451/colorado-supreme-court-decision-removing-trump-from-2024-ballot-based-on-14th-amendments-insurrectionist-ban.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24233451/colorado-sup...

JohnnyHerz 3y ago

Calling Jan 6th an insurrection is a joke. I Don't Like Trump - didn't vote for him. AND even though I am politically conservative for the most part, I don't care if Trump is on the ballot or not. He is an agent of Chaos. But if you are paying attention at all, you realize that Jan 6th was nothing more than a idiotic attempt at a protest. Insurrection? gimme a break smh ...what a laughable characterization. The liberal power brokers know it's a lie, they just sit in their high towers and laugh at the sheeple that buy what they sell. The political lawfare being waged against Trump is eventually going to get turned back around and used against liberals. When that happens, libs will throw tantrums and scream like babies, yet i will feel no sorrow for their plight. Only sadness and shame that my country has fallen so far. And if you're wondering which way i lean? So far, RFK Jr is the only viable option I'll consider and it's unlikely we'll see anything better this time around.

two_handfuls 3y ago
Just because it was a poorly executed insurrection doesn’t make it any less of one. This was not a protest. It was an act of violence, complete with a death threat, and its goal was to forcibly prevent the democratic transfer of power.
- infotainment 3y ago
  Exactly -- people stormed a government facility with the express aim of killing a particular official (Pence) who wasn't compliant with their demands. The fact that it was only attempted and didn't succeed doesn't make it meaningless. Reminds me of that classic Simpsons quote: "Attempted murder. Now honestly what is that? Can you win a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?”
  - JohnnyHerz 3y ago
    Drinking the cool-aid. add 2 more sheep to the herd
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

Mobil1 3y ago

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ais89 3y ago

This is just lawfare