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I think that Lufthansa asking for special treatment is the asshole move Lufthansa’s rules shouldn’t have been a surprise to anybody here. The route isn’t new a

I think that Lufthansa asking for special treatment is the asshole move Lufthansa’s rules shouldn’t have been a surprise to anybody here. The route isn’t new and operates on the edge of daylight much of the year. And IIRC, the FAA actually recommends foreign airlines adopt visual approach procedures at SFO, so … how does that make Lufthansa the assholes?

throw0101b 3y ago
> And IIRC, the FAA actually recommends foreign airlines adopt visual approach procedures at SFO, so … how does that make Lufthansa the assholes? In 2013, temporarily: > They also can use an instrument system called a glide slope indicator, although that has been out of service in San Francisco since June 1 because of ongoing runway improvements. > The FAA said all foreign carriers should continue to use alternate instrument approaches until the glide slopes return to service in late August. * https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/faa-tells-foreign-pilots-to-use-gps-when-landing-at-sfo/1950561/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/faa-tells-foreign-pilo...
ExoticPearTree 3y ago
Because it is an FAA recommendation, not a rule. Lufthansa decided that they only do ILS at night and NorCal was not in a position to give them that in the near future because it would disrupt the flow of airplanes that could visual approaches at night and require less separation. I am not 100% sure about the following but I think ATC instructions trumps company rules any day.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  Understood, but I don’t think that makes Lufthansa the asshole here. Between Lufthansa seemingly unaware of this situation in NorCal, and the ATC being prickly about it (the indefinite holding when they clearly had no intention of slotting them in), there’s plenty of assholes being assholes.

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I think that Lufthansa asking for special treatment is the asshole move Lufthansa’s rules shouldn’t have been a surprise to anybody here. The route isn’t new a

by alistairSH 3y ago

throw0101b 3y ago
> And IIRC, the FAA actually recommends foreign airlines adopt visual approach procedures at SFO, so … how does that make Lufthansa the assholes? In 2013, temporarily: > They also can use an instrument system called a glide slope indicator, although that has been out of service in San Francisco since June 1 because of ongoing runway improvements. > The FAA said all foreign carriers should continue to use alternate instrument approaches until the glide slopes return to service in late August. * https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/faa-tells-foreign-pilots-to-use-gps-when-landing-at-sfo/1950561/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/faa-tells-foreign-pilo...
ExoticPearTree 3y ago
Because it is an FAA recommendation, not a rule. Lufthansa decided that they only do ILS at night and NorCal was not in a position to give them that in the near future because it would disrupt the flow of airplanes that could visual approaches at night and require less separation. I am not 100% sure about the following but I think ATC instructions trumps company rules any day.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  Understood, but I don’t think that makes Lufthansa the asshole here. Between Lufthansa seemingly unaware of this situation in NorCal, and the ATC being prickly about it (the indefinite holding when they clearly had no intention of slotting them in), there’s plenty of assholes being assholes.