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> But sometimes, people tend to conflate a materialistic world view (maybe even strong determinism) with believing in the scientific method. I would say more t

> But sometimes, people tend to conflate a materialistic world view (maybe even strong determinism) with believing in the scientific method. I would say more than sometimes. It seems that if you're not like that, you're immediately labeled religious.

thefaux 3y ago
Religious is also a modern pejorative. It's pretty silly the way it's used given that extreme atheism is just as dogmatic as so called religious faith.
- fo76yo 3y ago
  Disbelief in specific magical thinking of ancient people and belief in the magical thinking of ancient peoples are not all that similar. Though I see how they can look that way when you intentionally omit details about the claims of either side, as human discourse is reduced to Tweet size comments of negligible value.
  - broscillator 3y ago
    Nowadays there's many believers of simulation theory, which is pretty much magical thinking.
    - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
      And like religion that belief is based on social memes, not on science.
      - broscillator 3y ago
        Right but people are complex beings susceptible to social memes. Science fundamentally is a tool, but so is writing, which was used to establish and disseminate religion (in the beginning was the Word). The bible might contain wisdom and good lessons, but it's value is obfuscated and degraded by fundamentalist fanatics. The same can happen with the products of science.
akomtu 3y ago
I like to disturb materialists, aka believers in the mechanical universe, with three observations: physics stands on GR and QM; GR says that any thing can dissolve into light (photons) that can, in principle, form any other thing; QM says that the entire universe evolves as one entity, that QM calls the wave function.
- GoblinSlayer 3y ago
  >GR says that any thing can dissolve into light (photons) that can, in principle, form any other thing That's doubtful, source? >QM says that the entire universe evolves as one entity, that QM calls the wave function. It's local, but mystics expect nonlocal one.

thefaux 3y ago

Religious is also a modern pejorative. It's pretty silly the way it's used given that extreme atheism is just as dogmatic as so called religious faith.

fo76yo 3y ago
Disbelief in specific magical thinking of ancient people and belief in the magical thinking of ancient peoples are not all that similar. Though I see how they can look that way when you intentionally omit details about the claims of either side, as human discourse is reduced to Tweet size comments of negligible value.
- broscillator 3y ago
  Nowadays there's many believers of simulation theory, which is pretty much magical thinking.
  - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
    And like religion that belief is based on social memes, not on science.
    - broscillator 3y ago
      Right but people are complex beings susceptible to social memes. Science fundamentally is a tool, but so is writing, which was used to establish and disseminate religion (in the beginning was the Word). The bible might contain wisdom and good lessons, but it's value is obfuscated and degraded by fundamentalist fanatics. The same can happen with the products of science.

akomtu 3y ago

I like to disturb materialists, aka believers in the mechanical universe, with three observations: physics stands on GR and QM; GR says that any thing can dissolve into light (photons) that can, in principle, form any other thing; QM says that the entire universe evolves as one entity, that QM calls the wave function.

GoblinSlayer 3y ago
>GR says that any thing can dissolve into light (photons) that can, in principle, form any other thing That's doubtful, source? >QM says that the entire universe evolves as one entity, that QM calls the wave function. It's local, but mystics expect nonlocal one.