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> If [the word "recall"] bothers you, contact your congressional representatives I'm not a US citizen, so I have no congressional representatives. This use of

by sshine 3y ago

> If [the word "recall"] bothers you, contact your congressional representatives I'm not a US citizen, so I have no congressional representatives. This use of the word is just wrong, I don't care about the legal use precedence. The word "recall" means "to call back, to return". And Tesla is not returning any vehicles. They're being forced to make a software update. You can make it sound worse if you like. But it's not a recall in any sense of returning anything anywhere.

Volundr 3y ago
This is a weird hill to die on. Plenty of recalls have been issued for what amounts to software updates, that required driving it back to the dealership. I don't see why it should suddenly be called something else because the car has a connection to the Internet now, removing the need to have it physically present it update.
- sshine 3y ago
  > I don't see why it should suddenly be called something else because the car has a connection to the Internet now, removing the need to have it physically present it update. Recall means “call back”. What we want to say is “update” or “downgrade” or “restrict” or “Fuck Tesla!” depending on the intent. You could say that you can recall a feature if you disable it in a software update. Even though the software doesn’t actually get returned, but just gets deleted, it’s a metaphorical recall. You are not recalling the car itself, because it doesn’t go anywhere. I’m not sure defendingg this word use is any more weird than to die on the opposing hill of insisting updating a car’s software is a recall of the car.
acdha 3y ago
You’re not a U.S. citizen so you are unaffected by the term of art used by the U.S. government for a process used to ensure that vehicles operated in the U.S. meet U.S. safety standards. Unless you work in Tesla PR, why spend your life arguing pointlessly about this word?
- sshine 3y ago
  I’m not a US citizen, so I cannot effectively complain to my local politicians on US matters, I can only complain to fellow hackers online. If one must be a Tesla employee to argue about the word “recall”, you must be a Tesla employee, too. I think logic is breaking down the deeper these comments nest.
nickthegreek 3y ago
The use of the word is not wrong. Here is Tesla’s page where they use the word the exact same way. You can just start using the word correctly moving foward, you don’t need to continue to dig. https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service

by sshine 3y ago

Volundr 3y ago

This is a weird hill to die on. Plenty of recalls have been issued for what amounts to software updates, that required driving it back to the dealership. I don't see why it should suddenly be called something else because the car has a connection to the Internet now, removing the need to have it physically present it update.

sshine 3y ago
> I don't see why it should suddenly be called something else because the car has a connection to the Internet now, removing the need to have it physically present it update. Recall means “call back”. What we want to say is “update” or “downgrade” or “restrict” or “Fuck Tesla!” depending on the intent. You could say that you can recall a feature if you disable it in a software update. Even though the software doesn’t actually get returned, but just gets deleted, it’s a metaphorical recall. You are not recalling the car itself, because it doesn’t go anywhere. I’m not sure defendingg this word use is any more weird than to die on the opposing hill of insisting updating a car’s software is a recall of the car.

acdha 3y ago

You’re not a U.S. citizen so you are unaffected by the term of art used by the U.S. government for a process used to ensure that vehicles operated in the U.S. meet U.S. safety standards. Unless you work in Tesla PR, why spend your life arguing pointlessly about this word?

sshine 3y ago
I’m not a US citizen, so I cannot effectively complain to my local politicians on US matters, I can only complain to fellow hackers online. If one must be a Tesla employee to argue about the word “recall”, you must be a Tesla employee, too. I think logic is breaking down the deeper these comments nest.

nickthegreek 3y ago

The use of the word is not wrong. Here is Tesla’s page where they use the word the exact same way. You can just start using the word correctly moving foward, you don’t need to continue to dig. https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service