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But they made an electric car. That did revolutionise the industry. There is a bunch of non-auto pilot innovations they’ve made as well.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > But they made an electric car. That did revolutionise the industry. That is what I meant by re-inventing the wheel for political purposes. The consumer doesn't care about the type of propellent the car uses, it was an imposition from the above which raised the price of cars and reduced their range and aestetics because of batteries design constraints. Tesla specifically also have very poor interior design and quality of materials.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  I've never met a Tesla owner that bought because a politician told them to.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    No they buy because techno-utopian cult leader Elon Musk told them so, the political handouts just gave them an extra 8000$ reasons to make it palatable to the family budget to buy a go kart for rich people.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      Some of their best years in the US were years when the tax credit wasn't available. Interest rates were a lot lower back then, though, which makes a surprisingly big difference.
    - onethought 3y ago
      In Australia a lot of people already have solar installed and an electric car increases the roi of that. Tesla has the market only because there isn’t much competition. BYD have entered the market now and will likely change that.
- onethought 3y ago
  Electric cars are better, not worse at almost every metric. If you’re moving the goal posts to subjective opinion on aesthetics, then ok, I have no comment. Model Y is the most popular vehicle ever made in any category electric or not.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > Electric cars are better, not worse at almost every metric. Price, weight, center of gravity, cornering ability and time to "refuel" are much worse. Also given that price of an EV is already high as it is, manufacturers compromise on quality of interior materials and assembly and you can see it The metric that matter are way inferior. > > Model Y is the most popular vehicle ever made in any category electric or not. Last time I checked the Toyota Corolla sold 50M units, VW Golf sold like 35M units, a couple of Toyota models stand at 15M and 10M respectively. Not to mention the Ford Model T. How many Tesla Model Y got sold some 1.5M? You should check numbers instead of blindly believing the propaganda. Tesla will never sell that much cars in the history of the company, not just one model. Not to mention how it's much harder to sell 1M Ford Model T in 1915 than even 10M Teslas in 2023 (not that they will ever sell 10M cars per year) It's a 150 year old industry, only people who believe propaganda buy into the lie that it's being revolutionized in any way , shape or form.
    - onethought 3y ago
      What is worse about the weight? Are you trying to lift your vehicles? There are trade offs to weight, but I’m not sure it’s worse. Price is worse if you ignore total cost of ownership… otherwise price is generally better. (Ie model 3 is cheaper than Corolla) I think you need to drive a Tesla they corner extremely well. Time to refuel… but you plug it in at night so you don’t need to refuel, I’d call this a trade off not better or worse. Centre of gravity is basically perfect. What are you referring to as negative here? Model Y sells more units per quarter than any other vehicle ever. Is that not the definition of popular? Obviously vehicles that have been around longer have sold more volume. The ex CEO of vw said himself Tesla has revolutionised ev manufacture in a way they struggled to match. Referring to their 45 second model Y production rate.
ahahahahah 3y ago
> But they made an electric car. That did revolutionise the industry. Other companies did too, and other companies would've whether Tesla did or not. It's not clear whether Tesla accelerated that shift or slowed it down.
- onethought 3y ago
  Who are you referring to?

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

> > But they made an electric car. That did revolutionise the industry. That is what I meant by re-inventing the wheel for political purposes. The consumer doesn't care about the type of propellent the car uses, it was an imposition from the above which raised the price of cars and reduced their range and aestetics because of batteries design constraints. Tesla specifically also have very poor interior design and quality of materials.

_ea1k 3y ago
I've never met a Tesla owner that bought because a politician told them to.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  No they buy because techno-utopian cult leader Elon Musk told them so, the political handouts just gave them an extra 8000$ reasons to make it palatable to the family budget to buy a go kart for rich people.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    Some of their best years in the US were years when the tax credit wasn't available. Interest rates were a lot lower back then, though, which makes a surprisingly big difference.
  - onethought 3y ago
    In Australia a lot of people already have solar installed and an electric car increases the roi of that. Tesla has the market only because there isn’t much competition. BYD have entered the market now and will likely change that.
onethought 3y ago
Electric cars are better, not worse at almost every metric. If you’re moving the goal posts to subjective opinion on aesthetics, then ok, I have no comment. Model Y is the most popular vehicle ever made in any category electric or not.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > Electric cars are better, not worse at almost every metric. Price, weight, center of gravity, cornering ability and time to "refuel" are much worse. Also given that price of an EV is already high as it is, manufacturers compromise on quality of interior materials and assembly and you can see it The metric that matter are way inferior. > > Model Y is the most popular vehicle ever made in any category electric or not. Last time I checked the Toyota Corolla sold 50M units, VW Golf sold like 35M units, a couple of Toyota models stand at 15M and 10M respectively. Not to mention the Ford Model T. How many Tesla Model Y got sold some 1.5M? You should check numbers instead of blindly believing the propaganda. Tesla will never sell that much cars in the history of the company, not just one model. Not to mention how it's much harder to sell 1M Ford Model T in 1915 than even 10M Teslas in 2023 (not that they will ever sell 10M cars per year) It's a 150 year old industry, only people who believe propaganda buy into the lie that it's being revolutionized in any way , shape or form.
  - onethought 3y ago
    What is worse about the weight? Are you trying to lift your vehicles? There are trade offs to weight, but I’m not sure it’s worse. Price is worse if you ignore total cost of ownership… otherwise price is generally better. (Ie model 3 is cheaper than Corolla) I think you need to drive a Tesla they corner extremely well. Time to refuel… but you plug it in at night so you don’t need to refuel, I’d call this a trade off not better or worse. Centre of gravity is basically perfect. What are you referring to as negative here? Model Y sells more units per quarter than any other vehicle ever. Is that not the definition of popular? Obviously vehicles that have been around longer have sold more volume. The ex CEO of vw said himself Tesla has revolutionised ev manufacture in a way they struggled to match. Referring to their 45 second model Y production rate.

ahahahahah 3y ago

> But they made an electric car. That did revolutionise the industry. Other companies did too, and other companies would've whether Tesla did or not. It's not clear whether Tesla accelerated that shift or slowed it down.

onethought 3y ago
Who are you referring to?