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Read the article, or read the recent UCSF study on homelessness[0]. The data suggest that mental illness and drug addiction are both symptoms of, or exacerbated

Read the article, or read the recent UCSF study on homelessness[0]. The data suggest that mental illness and drug addiction are both symptoms of, or exacerbated by, homelessness, not causes of it. Please don’t argue with me about this here without citing the available data. 0. https://homelessness.ucsf.edu/our-impact/our-studies/california-statewide-study-people-experiencing-homelessness https://homelessness.ucsf.edu/our-impact/our-studies/califor...

ciguy 3y ago
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- EGG_CREAM 3y ago
  Pull up on the drama a bit. It’s not insulting, you’re going very far out of your way to be insulted. And also, I deal with the homeless population every day too and disagree with you. Stop pretending like everyone who disagrees with you doesn’t have experience with the homeless population. If anything, that’s what is insulting.
- mbgerring 3y ago
  I worked directly with unhoused people in San Francisco as a direct service provider for 2 years, and I promise you, what is more insulting is when people refuse to accept the findings of the large, long-term empirical studies on this subject.
  - ciguy 3y ago
    So you're a beneficiary of the homeless industrial complex. Sorry but I'm not interested in anything you have to say as it's impossible for you to be objective given the amounts of money flushed through these programs.
rahimnathwani 3y ago
The article is not based on a random sample of homeless people. If you read the article, and ideally the article linked within, you'll notice that both the control and treatment groups are from a set of people who have been able to maintain ongoing relationships with 'buddies', in person or on the phone. The linked study claims to be based on a representative sample of homeless people, but the sampling approaches detailed on page 14 don't give me confidence that this is true. This part is particularly problematic: "This process continued with participants referring us to members of their communities who then referred us to others." The final weighted sample might be representative based on some demographic criteria (e.g. ethnicity, age) but weighting it to achieve that doesn't magically make it representative of the overall homeless population in other respects.

ciguy 3y ago

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EGG_CREAM 3y ago
Pull up on the drama a bit. It’s not insulting, you’re going very far out of your way to be insulted. And also, I deal with the homeless population every day too and disagree with you. Stop pretending like everyone who disagrees with you doesn’t have experience with the homeless population. If anything, that’s what is insulting.
mbgerring 3y ago
I worked directly with unhoused people in San Francisco as a direct service provider for 2 years, and I promise you, what is more insulting is when people refuse to accept the findings of the large, long-term empirical studies on this subject.
- ciguy 3y ago
  So you're a beneficiary of the homeless industrial complex. Sorry but I'm not interested in anything you have to say as it's impossible for you to be objective given the amounts of money flushed through these programs.

rahimnathwani 3y ago

The article is not based on a random sample of homeless people. If you read the article, and ideally the article linked within, you'll notice that both the control and treatment groups are from a set of people who have been able to maintain ongoing relationships with 'buddies', in person or on the phone. The linked study claims to be based on a representative sample of homeless people, but the sampling approaches detailed on page 14 don't give me confidence that this is true. This part is particularly problematic: "This process continued with participants referring us to members of their communities who then referred us to others." The final weighted sample might be representative based on some demographic criteria (e.g. ethnicity, age) but weighting it to achieve that doesn't magically make it representative of the overall homeless population in other respects.