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> They count pure # of accidents and not accidents per miles driven from what I heard. > misleading I will agree that the data presented could be much better

> They count pure # of accidents and not accidents per miles driven from what I heard. > misleading I will agree that the data presented could be much better than they currently are. To call this misleading, however, wouldn't you have to have a reasonable prior that the miles driven for Teslas are so much higher than the other brands that the trend we see doesn't make sense? I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher - it is hard to imagine that two popular brands with ICEs, Ram and Subaru, would have fewer miles driven than Teslas

h0l0cube 3y ago
> I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher Even then, a cursory Google leads to this: > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per 100 million miles traveled was much higher in rural areas than in urban areas (1.72 in rural areas compared with 1.19 in urban areas). https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per ... That would be relevant if we were talking about crash deaths.
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    It seems disingenuous to dismiss this offhand as a reasonable proxy for incidents. It would be strange for there to be no correlation between fatal risk of injury, and chance of any injury, or 'incidents'.
    - ejstronge 3y ago
      It is not disingenuous - it is quite clear that the kind of driving that happens in rural settings (fast, two-lane roads, no lights) is different from the kind of driving that happens in cities (slower, larger roads, street lights, stop lights) https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-rural-or-urban-areas/ https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-... has multiple links supporting this
      - h0l0cube 3y ago
        Absolutely not contesting that 'driving is different', but GP was suggesting that crash deaths doesn't correlate with crashes fatal or otherwise, or at least correlates differently enough between rural and urban. Nothing in that link supports that claim. Intuitively one might say that high velocity crashes could involve more fatalities, but an easy counter to that is that pedestrian deaths would represent more in urban areas.

h0l0cube 3y ago

> I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher Even then, a cursory Google leads to this: > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per 100 million miles traveled was much higher in rural areas than in urban areas (1.72 in rural areas compared with 1.19 in urban areas). https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...

ahahahahah 3y ago
> In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per ... That would be relevant if we were talking about crash deaths.
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  It seems disingenuous to dismiss this offhand as a reasonable proxy for incidents. It would be strange for there to be no correlation between fatal risk of injury, and chance of any injury, or 'incidents'.
  - ejstronge 3y ago
    It is not disingenuous - it is quite clear that the kind of driving that happens in rural settings (fast, two-lane roads, no lights) is different from the kind of driving that happens in cities (slower, larger roads, street lights, stop lights) https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-rural-or-urban-areas/ https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-... has multiple links supporting this
    - h0l0cube 3y ago
      Absolutely not contesting that 'driving is different', but GP was suggesting that crash deaths doesn't correlate with crashes fatal or otherwise, or at least correlates differently enough between rural and urban. Nothing in that link supports that claim. Intuitively one might say that high velocity crashes could involve more fatalities, but an easy counter to that is that pedestrian deaths would represent more in urban areas.