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Is it the way it is for plumbers, electricians, physicians, lawyers, etc? I'm seriously asking and ready to accept a "yes", but the reality is a lot of other pr

by dudul 3y ago

Is it the way it is for plumbers, electricians, physicians, lawyers, etc? I'm seriously asking and ready to accept a "yes", but the reality is a lot of other professions have certifications and controlling bodies. I wonder if, when being interviewed, plumbers have to jump through the same idiotic hoops developers have to suffer. My wife used to work as a nurse, her interviews were usually: do you have your certification paperwork? When can you start? No white boarding, no " tell me about a time you had to deal with a very difficult patient". Yeah yeah jobs are different but ffs, if I had a freaking paper to show that would save me 4 rounds of interviews I would be so happy. And yes, "innovation" may suffer. That's the usual argument, to which I say: good. I think we've reached a point in the history of technology where we need to chill out, take a deep breath and untangle the f ing mess we've created over the past decade.

lukas099 3y ago
> if I had a freaking paper to show that would save me 4 rounds of interviews I would be so happy. That's if you already had the paper. You are discounting the cost of getting the paper in the first place.
- dudul 3y ago
  I'm not discounting it, it's an hypothetical paper so I don't know. Some poor souls already spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to college and don't even get this said paper.
- EastBayGuy 3y ago
  Well, the license doesn't cost much beyond the cost of the degree. A few hundred in fees, and possibly a, very optional, grand on courses for exam prep.
  - lukas099 3y ago
    I meant including the cost in time, money, and effort of getting the degree.
    - OJFord 3y ago
      Most (? I assume?) software engineers have a degree anyway though, that's not an additional cost. CEng is more of a burden of time and bothering with the admin than it is a financial cost, compared to the degree you already have anyway. (It used to be my plan, but nobody cares, so I stopped bothering to progress towards it. Regret it in a way, since I think it was a good personal goal even if nobody else cares.)
- lolinder 3y ago
  The cost of getting a license in the licensed professions is usually very standardized and reliable. You get the degree, you get your field experience, you pay a nominal fee, you pass the test, you get the piece of paper. If establishing a clear process like that would do away with the quagmire of poorly-designed and subjective interview processes that we currently deal with, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
  - lukas099 3y ago
    Part of the cost of getting the license is the time, effort, and money spent getting the degree.
    - lolinder 3y ago
      Which I got anyway and think most people who want to be in software should get. I've interacted with enough bootcamp grads that I'm suspicious of attempts to short-circuit the four year program. (To be clear, my program was a proper Software Engineering program with overwhelmingly practical courses, and that's the kind of program I'd expect to be required for a license system. It sounds like a lot of what is available at most schools is theory-centric CS run out of the Math department, which I suspect is why there's such a strong sense among some that a degree is useless for software.)

by dudul 3y ago

lukas099 3y ago

> if I had a freaking paper to show that would save me 4 rounds of interviews I would be so happy. That's if you already had the paper. You are discounting the cost of getting the paper in the first place.

dudul 3y ago
I'm not discounting it, it's an hypothetical paper so I don't know. Some poor souls already spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to college and don't even get this said paper.
EastBayGuy 3y ago
Well, the license doesn't cost much beyond the cost of the degree. A few hundred in fees, and possibly a, very optional, grand on courses for exam prep.
- lukas099 3y ago
  I meant including the cost in time, money, and effort of getting the degree.
  - OJFord 3y ago
    Most (? I assume?) software engineers have a degree anyway though, that's not an additional cost. CEng is more of a burden of time and bothering with the admin than it is a financial cost, compared to the degree you already have anyway. (It used to be my plan, but nobody cares, so I stopped bothering to progress towards it. Regret it in a way, since I think it was a good personal goal even if nobody else cares.)
lolinder 3y ago
The cost of getting a license in the licensed professions is usually very standardized and reliable. You get the degree, you get your field experience, you pay a nominal fee, you pass the test, you get the piece of paper. If establishing a clear process like that would do away with the quagmire of poorly-designed and subjective interview processes that we currently deal with, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
- lukas099 3y ago
  Part of the cost of getting the license is the time, effort, and money spent getting the degree.
  - lolinder 3y ago
    Which I got anyway and think most people who want to be in software should get. I've interacted with enough bootcamp grads that I'm suspicious of attempts to short-circuit the four year program. (To be clear, my program was a proper Software Engineering program with overwhelmingly practical courses, and that's the kind of program I'd expect to be required for a license system. It sounds like a lot of what is available at most schools is theory-centric CS run out of the Math department, which I suspect is why there's such a strong sense among some that a degree is useless for software.)