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They count pure # of accidents and not accidents per miles driven from what I heard. misleading

ejstronge 3y ago
> They count pure # of accidents and not accidents per miles driven from what I heard. > misleading I will agree that the data presented could be much better than they currently are. To call this misleading, however, wouldn't you have to have a reasonable prior that the miles driven for Teslas are so much higher than the other brands that the trend we see doesn't make sense? I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher - it is hard to imagine that two popular brands with ICEs, Ram and Subaru, would have fewer miles driven than Teslas
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  > I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher Even then, a cursory Google leads to this: > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per 100 million miles traveled was much higher in rural areas than in urban areas (1.72 in rural areas compared with 1.19 in urban areas). https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...
  - ahahahahah 3y ago
    > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per ... That would be relevant if we were talking about crash deaths.
    - h0l0cube 3y ago
      It seems disingenuous to dismiss this offhand as a reasonable proxy for incidents. It would be strange for there to be no correlation between fatal risk of injury, and chance of any injury, or 'incidents'.
      - ejstronge 3y ago
        It is not disingenuous - it is quite clear that the kind of driving that happens in rural settings (fast, two-lane roads, no lights) is different from the kind of driving that happens in cities (slower, larger roads, street lights, stop lights) https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-rural-or-urban-areas/ https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-... has multiple links supporting this
        h0l0cube 3y ago
        Absolutely not contesting that 'driving is different', but GP was suggesting that crash deaths doesn't correlate with crashes fatal or otherwise, or at least correlates differently enough between rural and urban. Nothing in that link supports that claim. Intuitively one might say that high velocity crashes could involve more fatalities, but an easy counter to that is that pedestrian deaths would represent more in urban areas.
yumraj 3y ago
Just grabbing at the straws now are we? (To clarify, referring to the comment above, not the study)
spamizbad 3y ago
I'd be skeptical that Tesla vehicles, which are popular in urban areas, would have more miles driven on average than pickup trucks which are more popular (but certainly also present elsewhere) in more rural / exurban areas where travel distances to work and shopping are longer.
- gonzo41 3y ago
  In rural areas you see less traffic. Though tesla's ship with power modes that far exceed the traffic limits in most places so speed may be a contributing factor. Especially in the urban setting. I'm also wondering when the regulation to limit tops speeds in electric cars will occur. It seems inevitable that with the computers onboard the ability to limit speeds based on location data, ie what road you're on, will be here sooner rather than later.

> They count pure # of accidents and not accidents per miles driven from what I heard. > misleading I will agree that the data presented could be much better than they currently are. To call this misleading, however, wouldn't you have to have a reasonable prior that the miles driven for Teslas are so much higher than the other brands that the trend we see doesn't make sense? I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher - it is hard to imagine that two popular brands with ICEs, Ram and Subaru, would have fewer miles driven than Teslas

h0l0cube 3y ago
> I would be more persuaded if you said that Teslas are more likely to drive in urban environments where crash risks are higher Even then, a cursory Google leads to this: > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per 100 million miles traveled was much higher in rural areas than in urban areas (1.72 in rural areas compared with 1.19 in urban areas). https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > In 2021, the rate of crash deaths per ... That would be relevant if we were talking about crash deaths.
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    It seems disingenuous to dismiss this offhand as a reasonable proxy for incidents. It would be strange for there to be no correlation between fatal risk of injury, and chance of any injury, or 'incidents'.
    - ejstronge 3y ago
      It is not disingenuous - it is quite clear that the kind of driving that happens in rural settings (fast, two-lane roads, no lights) is different from the kind of driving that happens in cities (slower, larger roads, street lights, stop lights) https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-rural-or-urban-areas/ https://www.mvmlaw.com/blog/do-car-accidents-happen-more-in-... has multiple links supporting this
      - h0l0cube 3y ago
        Absolutely not contesting that 'driving is different', but GP was suggesting that crash deaths doesn't correlate with crashes fatal or otherwise, or at least correlates differently enough between rural and urban. Nothing in that link supports that claim. Intuitively one might say that high velocity crashes could involve more fatalities, but an easy counter to that is that pedestrian deaths would represent more in urban areas.

yumraj 3y ago

Just grabbing at the straws now are we? (To clarify, referring to the comment above, not the study)

spamizbad 3y ago

I'd be skeptical that Tesla vehicles, which are popular in urban areas, would have more miles driven on average than pickup trucks which are more popular (but certainly also present elsewhere) in more rural / exurban areas where travel distances to work and shopping are longer.

gonzo41 3y ago
In rural areas you see less traffic. Though tesla's ship with power modes that far exceed the traffic limits in most places so speed may be a contributing factor. Especially in the urban setting. I'm also wondering when the regulation to limit tops speeds in electric cars will occur. It seems inevitable that with the computers onboard the ability to limit speeds based on location data, ie what road you're on, will be here sooner rather than later.