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It's sad that we've taken it so far. Cars don't inherently have to be death traps (see smaller cars in europe), and we shouldn't have to use them for basic need

It's sad that we've taken it so far. Cars don't inherently have to be death traps (see smaller cars in europe), and we shouldn't have to use them for basic needs like getting groceries, but to just keep making them bigger and more dangerous for those outside of the car is plain insane. And now these death machines are going electric, which is slightly better but now they're wayy heavier. How many deaths are we going to need to see from the cybertrucks and Hummer EVs until regulation kicks in and makes us reconsider things?

frumper 3y ago
The weight difference between a Camry and Model 3 isn't much heavier. You probably won't see a lot of deaths from hummer ev's because there just won't be very many.
- willio58 3y ago
  Just a quick google search shows - Model 3: 3,862 to 4,048 lbs - Camry: 3,310 to 3,595 lbs Comparing those two lower numbers we see a 15.39% increase for model 3. That's significant when it comes to collisions with pedestrians. It becomes really drastic when comparing trucks.. - Tacoma: 3,915 lbs - Cybertruck: 6,843 lbs 54% increase. Sure, Cybertruck can pull more and whatever, but more than 99% of trips made in these behemoths will be to the grocery store/soccer games. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-EV. You can make up for a 15% weight difference by adding other safety features to a car. But it's when we talk about the cybertrucks and copy-cats to come that I think we need to seriously consider heavily regulating who drives those sorts of vehicles. I have a coworker who uses Tesla self-driving heavily, I've been in a near head-on collision in her model 3 due to it. She's getting a Cybertruck soon and I fear for the lives of those people daring to cross a street in front of that thing.
  - frumper 3y ago
    I wouldn't call 15% "way heavier". If it's close enough that the people in the car can make up the difference then it's close enough. Also, why compare the Cybertruck Cyberbeast to a Tacoma, the low end of a Tacoma at that? It's more comparable to a Tundra or F150. You are trying to be disingenuous with that comparison. Now that makes me look at your math for the cars. High end to high end is less. So, just a quick check of your numbers show you're trying to twist stuff on both conclusions.
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  I looked up the Camry, it’s quite big and heavy already. The Model 3 too. The real comparison would be something like a Hyundai i10 or a VW Up, or at most a Fiesta or Golf.
  - frumper 3y ago
    I fail to see how that is the comparison to make. That's what you'd make if you want to be as extreme as possible. If you'd like to compare the best selling ICE sedan with the best selling EV sedan, then you'd compare a Camry and Model 3. They're also at least closer in price and someone considering a sedan might actually look at both. The person buying a Model 3 isn't going to buy a Hyundai i10, or a Fiesta.

frumper 3y ago

The weight difference between a Camry and Model 3 isn't much heavier. You probably won't see a lot of deaths from hummer ev's because there just won't be very many.

willio58 3y ago
Just a quick google search shows - Model 3: 3,862 to 4,048 lbs - Camry: 3,310 to 3,595 lbs Comparing those two lower numbers we see a 15.39% increase for model 3. That's significant when it comes to collisions with pedestrians. It becomes really drastic when comparing trucks.. - Tacoma: 3,915 lbs - Cybertruck: 6,843 lbs 54% increase. Sure, Cybertruck can pull more and whatever, but more than 99% of trips made in these behemoths will be to the grocery store/soccer games. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-EV. You can make up for a 15% weight difference by adding other safety features to a car. But it's when we talk about the cybertrucks and copy-cats to come that I think we need to seriously consider heavily regulating who drives those sorts of vehicles. I have a coworker who uses Tesla self-driving heavily, I've been in a near head-on collision in her model 3 due to it. She's getting a Cybertruck soon and I fear for the lives of those people daring to cross a street in front of that thing.
- frumper 3y ago
  I wouldn't call 15% "way heavier". If it's close enough that the people in the car can make up the difference then it's close enough. Also, why compare the Cybertruck Cyberbeast to a Tacoma, the low end of a Tacoma at that? It's more comparable to a Tundra or F150. You are trying to be disingenuous with that comparison. Now that makes me look at your math for the cars. High end to high end is less. So, just a quick check of your numbers show you're trying to twist stuff on both conclusions.
dontlaugh 3y ago
I looked up the Camry, it’s quite big and heavy already. The Model 3 too. The real comparison would be something like a Hyundai i10 or a VW Up, or at most a Fiesta or Golf.
- frumper 3y ago
  I fail to see how that is the comparison to make. That's what you'd make if you want to be as extreme as possible. If you'd like to compare the best selling ICE sedan with the best selling EV sedan, then you'd compare a Camry and Model 3. They're also at least closer in price and someone considering a sedan might actually look at both. The person buying a Model 3 isn't going to buy a Hyundai i10, or a Fiesta.